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Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics
Date 2016-02-12 13:56 -0600
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On 2/12/2016 1:11 PM, Raymond Yohros wrote:
> On Friday, 12 February 2016 20:06:19 UTC+1, Odd Bodkin  wrote:
>> On 2/12/2016 1:05 PM, Raymond Yohros wrote:
>>> just as EM duality, GW can be quantized. it works the same way
>>> but with spacetime itself. there is no reason why it should not.
>>>
>>> r.y
>>
>> Easy to say. Hard to actually do.
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> but it was done!
> by detecting a spacetime vibration signature coming from the cosmos
> you have detected gravitons directly!
>
> r.y
>

No, that's not established at all. You can make a CONJECTURE that if you 
see waves, then you are seeing quanta, but that's not a given.

To prove light was composed of quanta, you needed phenomena that could 
NOT be explained with a wave picture. It was more than just "Wherever 
you see waves, then it's quanta too".

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 17:08 -0600
  Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 15:28 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:59 -0500
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:16 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:40 -0500
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:01 -0600
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:44 -0500
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 09:49 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 08:01 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 12:47 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 12:46 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:35 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:34 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:27 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 05:59 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:30 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 10:23 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 22:46 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Dingus Dirtbag McGee" <insavad@example.com> - 2016-02-16 22:49 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:16 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:29 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:59 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 04:07 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 05:05 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 06:26 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:11 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:19 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:05 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:03 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:15 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:05 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 13:35 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:57 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-02-21 19:40 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 14:28 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-22 08:52 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 05:58 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 06:41 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:37 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-23 16:55 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:29 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:40 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:49 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:16 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 23:02 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 01:25 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 17:43 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:11 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 20:17 -0500
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:17 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 10:38 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:58 -0500
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:14 -0800
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:40 -0500
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:03 -0600
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:50 -0500
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 10:04 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 13:01 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:37 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:36 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:28 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:42 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:52 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:13 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 23:00 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 01:22 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 08:53 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 07:07 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 15:44 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:16 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 15:32 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:34 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 19:50 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 19:12 -0500
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                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:04 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:16 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:24 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 12:02 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 12:31 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:14 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 02:43 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 04:53 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:09 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 15:58 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:30 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:30 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 19:28 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 07:39 -0600
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:53 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-12 04:33 +0000
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    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 23:02 -0500
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 11:34 -0500
        Re: Ben Jacoby's hallucinations rule supreme, unreproachable. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:55 -0500
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            Re: Better art refines prior art. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:29 -0600
              Re: Better art refines prior art. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:37 -0600
                Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:47 -0800
              Re: Better art refines prior art. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 12:56 -0800
              Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 04:50 -0800
            Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:42 -0800
          Re: Ben Jacoby's hallucinations rule supreme, unreproachable. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-12 13:43 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-12 13:33 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 11:49 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:29 -0500
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 08:27 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 11:37 -0500
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 11:05 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 13:06 -0600
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 11:11 -0800
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 11:29 -0800
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 13:56 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 12:51 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 15:00 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 13:48 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 14:02 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-13 18:16 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:40 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 20:01 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 22:39 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:38 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 19:56 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 23:05 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:31 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 11:56 -0500
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:32 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:27 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 22:50 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:24 -0800
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:24 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:18 -0800
  Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-02-12 10:54 +0000
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:25 -0600
  Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-02-13 11:47 -0500
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 04:54 -0800
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    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:31 -0600
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:27 -0500
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:21 -0600
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:51 -0500
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:54 -0600
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    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:50 -0600
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-17 06:45 -0800
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:12 -0600
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-18 06:38 -0800
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:23 -0600
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          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:24 -0500
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:20 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-19 00:58 +0000
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