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Re: Better art refines prior art.

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Better art refines prior art.
Date 2016-02-12 14:29 -0600
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On 2/12/2016 2:19 PM, john wrote:
> Odd
> You STILL have no mechanism.
> Or model.

Physicists do. I think you just have a disagreement with physicist over 
what "model" means. Model to you means something where you can see the 
inner workings moving, cogs and cams and paths of motion of all the 
pieces. That's not what a model means to a physicist. A model means a 
theory that allows you to calculate predictions of measurable quantities 
that can be compared to experiment.

So when you say physicists don't have a model, what you're really saying 
is that they don't have YOUR kind of model. And physicists will say, "So?"

>
> "Swarming" gmafb
>


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Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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