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| From | Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity |
| Date | 2016-02-06 10:52 +0100 |
| Organization | ATMAN - ATM S.A. |
| Message-ID | <n94fp6$j22$1@node2.news.atman.pl> (permalink) |
| References | (13 earlier) <dhjdvbF9h4lU1@mid.individual.net> <8e1d7795-5966-4fa0-83d4-0937c3d736d6@googlegroups.com> <dhkvvvFlunmU1@mid.individual.net> <n94ahn$dve$1@node2.news.atman.pl> <dhlq86FrlkhU1@mid.individual.net> |
Użytkownik "Sylvia Else" napisał w wiadomości grup dyskusyjnych:dhlq86FrlkhU1@mid.individual.net... On 6/02/2016 7:23 PM, Maciej Woźniak wrote: > > > Użytkownik "Sylvia Else" napisał w wiadomości grup > dyskusyjnych:dhkvvvFlunmU1@mid.individual.net... > > On 5/02/2016 11:35 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >> W dniu piątek, 5 lutego 2016 12:05:20 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else >> napisał: >>> On 5/02/2016 9:20 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>> W dniu piątek, 5 lutego 2016 10:21:03 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else >>>> napisał: >>>>> On 5/02/2016 6:25 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>>>> W dniu piątek, 5 lutego 2016 02:18:43 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else >>>>>> napisał: >>>>>>> On 5/02/2016 12:11 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>>>>>> W dniu czwartek, 4 lutego 2016 11:59:23 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia >>>>>>>> Else napisał: >>>>>>>>> On 4/02/2016 8:45 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>>>>>>>> W dniu czwartek, 4 lutego 2016 09:31:57 UTC+1 użytkownik >>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else napisał: >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/02/2016 6:20 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu czwartek, 4 lutego 2016 00:15:25 UTC+1 użytkownik >>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else napisał: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/02/2016 11:54 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu środa, 3 lutego 2016 12:07:12 UTC+1 użytkownik >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else napisał: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the doors close simultaneously in Sarah's frame, then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they don't in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam's frame. Both Sarah and Adam agree that the trains >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gets through >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unscathed. How often does this paradox nonsense have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be debunked? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if Adam is going through a forest, from his own point >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of view >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he observes he is immobile and trees are running around him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So said a bunch of Gurus! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Must be the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a pretty classic strawman - misrepresent someone's >>>>>>>>>>>>> position >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quorting Gary: >>>>>>>>>>>> This actually Galileo's concept, but I'm glad the babbling >>>>>>>>>>>> baboon finally >>>>>>>>>>>> embraces the correct concept. >>>>>>>>>>>> End of quote. >>>>>>>>>>>> No, it isn't any misrepresentation. That's exactly >>>>>>>>>>>> what Your physics represents. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You characterise the motion of the trees as "running around". >>>>>>>>>>> Not only >>>>>>>>>>> do the trees not run, but their motion is all in the same >>>>>>>>>>> direction, >>>>>>>>>>> being the opposite of the direction is moving in in the frame >>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>> trees. So there's no sense in which it can be said to be >>>>>>>>>>> "around". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>> A nice try, but, I'm afraid, it's never as easy in >>>>>>>>>> the common language. "trees are running around him" >>>>>>>>>> can mean "trees around him" as well, as "running around >>>>>>>>>> him". >>>>>>>>>> Keep practicing, but there is still much to learn. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, despite the picturesque language, you're accepting that if >>>>>>>>> Adam has >>>>>>>>> a velocity v (a vector) in the frame of the trees, then the >>>>>>>>> trees have >>>>>>>>> velocity -v in Adam's frame. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. I'm only accepting that You're saying so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So what do you suggest is how things work? >>>>>> >>>>>> If You mean trees, they usually don't work. >>>>>> But if You mean an observer, he works better >>>>>> when operating a single own velocity, than >>>>>> operating with thousands velocities of trees. >>>>>> Particularly, when main purpose of his all >>>>>> observations is - controlling his movement >>>>>> and avoiding killing himself by collision >>>>>> with a tree. >>>>> >>>>> All the trees have the same velocity. >>>> >>>> Yes, and it's 0. >>>> It's not about imagined twins in imagined rockets. >>>> Millions of people go through forests every day. >>>> They all consider trees as immobile from their >>>> points of view, as long, as these trees are not >>>> falling. Take ANY person form the street and ask >>>> him/her whether he/she is observing these trees/lanterns/ >>>> buildings around moving with any speed. >>>> >>>> Your brilliant relativitic "point of view of an >>>> observer" is completely primitive, and thus easy >>>> and simple enough for formalizing. And this is >>>> the end of its advantages. >>>> Nobody uses it, and nobody ever will. >>>> >>> >>> Do you understand that the purpose behind all this is to obtain a >>> correct mathematical description of the world, so that we can make >>> predictions about it? >> >> What "world" do You mean? >> These REAL people going through REAL forest - >> aren't they a part of Your "world"? How about >> these clocks of GPS, indicating t'=t in very >> clear, mathematical numbers? >> And, when this person from the street is saying >> "I went through a forest" - what do You think >> she is describing? >> What do You think GPS clocks and their indications >> are for? >> > > |Essentially, the problem for an observer is "If I make some measurement > |X, can I work out, in advance, what the result of the measurement will > be." > > So, are they a part of Your "world" or not? |What are "they"? These REAL people going through REAL forest - aren't they a part of this "world" You're trying to describe? >> Correct mathematical description? Of what? >> Where, exactly, in the world, can I find >> Your "correctly described" observers? > > |There are no correctly described observers. > > And, as You can't do the task correctly, instead You imagine they > are different, than they are. |I have not idea what you intend by that. Maybe You should read? > |You on the other hand, have yet to propose any single measurement whose > |result conflicts with the theory. > > Check the clocks of GPS. They indicate t'=t. Clocks indicate, so it's > a DIRECT MEASUREMENT result, right from the real world, not from > your gedankens. |At the risk of raising the dreaded GPS clock topic, I'll just say that |the atomic clocks on board GPS satellites are configured so that they You know, in the reality clocks are always configured somehow, and still the measurement procedure of time is - reading their indications. So, measurement result still is - t'=t. Don't You configure clocks in this "world" of Yours? |that a clock sitting on Earth counts them. The required adjustment was |calculated using general relativity. No, it was not. Your relativity requires adjusting clocks to stay unsynchronized and indicate its marvelous time dilation. > Because GPS is a serious device designed to do REAL measurements > and REAL calculations with the REAL results. Not a toy for people > like You to puff about their imagined wisdom. > |They do what they are intended to do. Yes. Real measurements and real calculations on real results. Something Your brilliant, revolutionary, unsynchronizing "proper clocks" are completely useless for. |Making them do that required a solid knowledge of the |physics of space, time and gravity. And ignoring the "standards" this physics announced.
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Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-05 05:26 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-05 04:35 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-06 12:18 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-06 09:23 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-06 19:46 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-06 10:52 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-06 22:34 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-06 13:08 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-07 09:48 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-07 08:50 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-07 09:31 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-07 22:49 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-07 13:17 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-07 14:15 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-08 13:46 +1100
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Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 18:51 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 00:42 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 22:48 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 04:16 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 05:51 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 06:27 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-10 07:15 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-10 18:16 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-10 09:24 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-10 17:31 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-11 13:36 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 22:56 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-11 18:50 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-11 00:58 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-11 21:41 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-11 04:02 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-11 05:29 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-11 06:40 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-11 07:30 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-11 17:12 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-11 14:27 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-12 16:44 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 11:48 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-13 00:54 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-13 11:14 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-13 08:43 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-13 22:18 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-13 12:54 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-13 23:02 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-13 12:17 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-14 18:28 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Céline Desirée Hedwig <celinedh@bernhardine.org> - 2016-02-14 21:13 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-15 12:05 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Céline Desirée Hedwig <celinedh@bernhardine.org> - 2016-02-15 15:54 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-16 11:19 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 02:53 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 03:26 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 04:17 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 05:04 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-17 12:14 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-17 06:32 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-17 17:22 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-16 23:06 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-17 22:21 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-17 03:26 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-17 18:34 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-17 23:00 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Monique de Brabant <moniqb@cafedelmar.org> - 2016-02-18 15:45 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-18 09:19 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-19 11:23 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Stzepan Zdrobněliny <stzepan282@guadalajara.org> - 2016-02-20 22:47 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-21 13:29 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-21 10:12 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-13 06:04 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-13 16:27 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-13 15:29 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 08:28 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Muddy Shoes <shoes@muddyshoes.org> - 2016-02-13 16:40 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 13:32 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-14 10:12 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-14 08:53 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 16:11 -0800
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Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-06 13:31 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity shan <shan@enterapps.org> - 2016-02-06 12:35 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-06 07:29 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Éibhear <eibhear@no-email.net> - 2016-02-06 20:54 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity shan <shan@enterapps.org> - 2016-02-06 12:59 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-07 09:51 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Éibhear <eibhear@no-email.net> - 2016-02-06 23:17 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-07 10:46 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Éibhear <eibhear@no-email.net> - 2016-02-07 00:46 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-02-06 15:48 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:39 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-07 10:11 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity ˌsōlər ˈpleksəs <solar@plexus.org> - 2016-02-07 19:34 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 14:04 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-08 09:12 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-06 21:57 -0600
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Καλυψώ <calipso214@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 15:33 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 09:16 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Heiðr Einherjar <einherjar@notformail.org> - 2016-02-08 17:24 +0000
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-08 18:25 +0100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-09 11:24 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-08 22:53 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-09 23:02 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-09 04:43 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 17:20 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 23:05 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 18:58 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 00:32 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 22:55 +1100
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 23:13 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-09 00:04 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-04 06:58 -0800
Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-02-04 07:58 -0800
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