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Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity
Date 2016-02-05 22:05 +1100
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On 5/02/2016 9:20 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
> W dniu piątek, 5 lutego 2016 10:21:03 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
>> On 5/02/2016 6:25 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>> W dniu piątek, 5 lutego 2016 02:18:43 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
>>>> On 5/02/2016 12:11 AM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>> W dniu czwartek, 4 lutego 2016 11:59:23 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
>>>>>> On 4/02/2016 8:45 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>> W dniu czwartek, 4 lutego 2016 09:31:57 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
>>>>>>>> On 4/02/2016 6:20 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> W dniu czwartek, 4 lutego 2016 00:15:25 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/02/2016 11:54 PM, mlwozniak@wp.pl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> W dniu środa, 3 lutego 2016 12:07:12 UTC+1 użytkownik Sylvia Else napisał:
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the doors close simultaneously in Sarah's frame, then they don't in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam's frame. Both Sarah and Adam agree that the trains gets through
>>>>>>>>>>>> unscathed. How often does this paradox nonsense have to be debunked?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And if Adam is going through a forest, from his own point of view
>>>>>>>>>>> he observes he is immobile and trees are running around him.
>>>>>>>>>>> So said a bunch of Gurus!
>>>>>>>>>>> Must be the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a pretty classic strawman - misrepresent someone's position
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Quorting Gary:
>>>>>>>>> This actually Galileo's concept, but I'm glad the babbling baboon finally
>>>>>>>>> embraces the correct concept.
>>>>>>>>> End of quote.
>>>>>>>>> No, it isn't any misrepresentation. That's exactly
>>>>>>>>> what Your physics represents.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You characterise the motion of the trees as "running around". Not only
>>>>>>>> do the trees not run, but their motion is all in the same direction,
>>>>>>>> being the opposite of the direction is moving in in the frame of the
>>>>>>>> trees. So there's no sense in which it can be said to be "around".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>> A nice try, but, I'm afraid, it's never as easy in
>>>>>>> the common language. "trees are running around him"
>>>>>>> can mean "trees around him" as well, as "running around
>>>>>>> him".
>>>>>>> Keep practicing, but there is still much to learn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, despite the picturesque language, you're accepting that if Adam has
>>>>>> a velocity v (a vector) in the frame of the trees, then the trees have
>>>>>> velocity -v in Adam's frame.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. I'm only accepting that You're saying so.
>>>>
>>>> So what do you suggest is how things work?
>>>
>>> If You mean trees, they usually don't work.
>>> But if You mean an observer, he works better
>>> when operating a single own velocity, than
>>> operating with thousands velocities of trees.
>>> Particularly, when main purpose of his all
>>> observations is - controlling his movement
>>> and avoiding killing himself by collision
>>> with a tree.
>>
>> All the trees have the same velocity.
>
> Yes, and it's 0.
> It's not about imagined twins in imagined rockets.
> Millions of people go through forests every day.
> They all consider trees as immobile from their
> points of view, as long, as these trees are not
> falling. Take ANY person form the street and ask
> him/her whether he/she is observing these trees/lanterns/
> buildings around moving with any speed.
>
> Your brilliant relativitic "point of view of an
> observer" is completely primitive, and thus easy
> and simple enough for formalizing. And this is
> the end of its advantages.
> Nobody uses it, and nobody ever will.
>

Do you understand that the purpose behind all this is to obtain a 
correct mathematical description of the world, so that we can make 
predictions about it?

An incorrect mathematical description is no use at all.

It turns out that if we want a correct mathematical description, the 
only thing that works is to accept that only relative velocities matter. 
If we don't accept that, then the maths comes out wrong - the 
predictions don't fit reality.

Physicists don't pull this stuff out of the air - it's forced on them by 
the universe itself.

>
>
>>
>>>> I don't remember agreeing to that, and you do like to twist things
>>>> and/or have poor understanding.
>>>
>>> And You have a poor and selective memory.
>>>
>>
>> I think not. Give the URL of the relevant posting in Google Groups.
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.physics.relativity/m2BKfSHsHio
> I quoted Your fellow Tom:
>> Quoting Tom:
>> This is wrong. In relativity and essentially all of modern physics there is
>> more: a frame of reference consists of a 3-D rectangular FRAME (latticework) of
>> rulers with a clock located at each junction; the clocks must all be mutually
>> synchronized. Constructing such a FRAME requires that the entire FRAME be at
>> rest in some inertial frame. It is NOT coincidence that the same word is used.
>> This _IS_ what "frame" means in modern physics.
>> End of quoting.
>
> Well, after reading carefully , Your answer was indeed one
> of these "yes, but no" answers relativists often use. Took it
> as yes. Seems, I've made a mistake.
>

Sometimes distinctions can be subtle, but that doesn't mean they're 
unimportant.

Sylvia.

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    Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-03 23:24 +1100
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                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-06 13:08 +0100
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                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 00:42 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 22:48 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 04:16 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 05:51 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-10 06:27 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-10 07:15 -0800
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                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-11 18:50 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-11 00:58 -0800
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                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Éibhear <eibhear@no-email.net> - 2016-02-06 23:17 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-07 10:46 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Éibhear <eibhear@no-email.net> - 2016-02-07 00:46 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-02-06 15:48 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 18:39 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-07 10:11 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity ˌsōlər ˈpleksəs <solar@plexus.org> - 2016-02-07 19:34 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-07 14:04 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-08 09:12 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-06 21:57 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Καλυψώ <calipso214@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 15:33 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 09:16 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Heiðr Einherjar <einherjar@notformail.org> - 2016-02-08 17:24 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-08 18:25 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-09 11:24 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-08 22:53 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-09 23:02 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-09 04:43 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 17:20 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 23:05 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 18:58 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-10 00:32 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-10 22:55 +1100
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 23:13 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-09 00:04 -0800
    Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-04 06:58 -0800
      Re: Einstein's Length Contraction Absurdity jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-02-04 07:58 -0800

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