Re: Does space mean emptiness? How do you describe it?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Does space mean emptiness? How do you describe it?
Date	2016-01-31 13:49 -0600
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On 1/31/2016 9:17 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 10:55:03 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 1/29/2016 8:36 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 12:25:09 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 1/28/2016 10:29 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 8:33:31 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/26/2016 6:56 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 4:25:20 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/26/2016 3:17 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 10:02:49 AM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/26/16 8:54 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/25/2016 8:39 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There have never been any observations or experiments that contradict my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> predictions that "angels make it happen". So is my theory a good theory? I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Angels make it happen" is not a prediction, Ken. Do you know what a
>>>>>>>>>>>> prediction is?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure it is a prediction just as virtual particles make it happens.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         What did Casimir get the Nobel Prize for, Seto?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It just means that the Nobel Committee accepted Casmir's explanation that the virtual particles made it happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uh, no. It means that Casimir's predictions were later validated by
>>>>>>>> experimental confirmation, and that as a result, Casimir's theory was
>>>>>>>> widely used by other theorists to develop other explanations and other
>>>>>>>> predictions which where then also validated in experimental test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not a confirmation of the virtual particles. It merely means that virtual particles could be one of the
>>>>>>> model that give rise to the Casmir force.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And since the model makes numerical predictions that match the
>>>>>> measurements of the Casimir force, then that is considered a
>>>>>> confirmation of virtual particles, Ken.
>>>>>
>>>>> The model of Model Mechanics males identical predictions for the Casmir force. Why? Because the
>>>>> same equations are used to make the predictions.
>>>>
>>>> Oddly enough, though, your theory of angels doesn't include interactions
>>>> and so doesn't use the math of QED where the interaction term is included.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure it includes interactions.....the angels push or pull the interacting objects together or apart.
>>
>> That's not what the math says. The math says the spin-1/2, mass 511 keV
>> thing (which you call an angel) interacts directly with the spin-0
>> massless thing (which you call another kind of angel), via electric charge.
>
> This is the QM model.

That's right. You said the angel theory could explain everything in the 
QM model, using the same math. So I told you what the QM math says.

Now maybe you FORGOT that you were suggesting an angel theory using the 
same math as QM. That wouldn't surprise me, Ken. Do you remember what 
you had for dinner on Tuesday? I didn't think so.

>>
>> So is this consistent with your explanation involving angels or not?
>
> Sure....the QED math is consistent with the angel model. The Angel model
> for interactions is different than the QM model.

Well, then you'll have to explain how the math for the interactions is 
the SAME, then. The QED math says there is a direct interaction between 
the spin-1 massless things and the spin-1/2 things with mass 511 keV. 
Now you say the angel model uses the SAME math but doesn't have any such 
direct interactions between angels.

Explain.

> The Model Mechanics model for electromagnetic interaction is different
> than the QM model and the angel model. The Model Mechanics model is described in the following link:
> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2011unification.pdf
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is much like SR uses the same LET equations
>>>>> to make predictions. The difference is that SR call the ether frame as the inertial frame to
>>>>> derive the LET math whereas LET acknowledges the existence of the ether frame and use it to
>>>>> derived the LT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's how science confirms the validity of theories, Ken. You didn't
>>>>>> know that?
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't know that an equation can be based on different models???
>>>>
>>>> One equation, maybe, but no two models share the entire set of identical
>>>> equations. So no, if you think this happens, then I'm pretty sure you're
>>>> flat wrong.
>>>
>>> LOL....SR model is a different interpretation of LET math.
>>
>> Uh, no, it's not. Never was.
>
> Yes it is. An inertial frame is just another name for different locations of the
> ether frame.

Uh, no. No where in ANY literature, other than what you just made up in 
your head, is there any description of "inertial frame" that says 
"different locations in the ether frame".

>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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