Re: Does space mean emptiness? How do you describe it?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Does space mean emptiness? How do you describe it?
Date	2016-01-29 09:54 -0600
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On 1/29/2016 8:36 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 12:25:09 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 1/28/2016 10:29 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 8:33:31 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 1/26/2016 6:56 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 4:25:20 PM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/26/2016 3:17 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 10:02:49 AM UTC-5, Sam Wormley wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/26/16 8:54 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 11:58:09 AM UTC-5, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/25/2016 8:39 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> There have never been any observations or experiments that contradict my
>>>>>>>>>>> predictions that "angels make it happen". So is my theory a good theory? I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Angels make it happen" is not a prediction, Ken. Do you know what a
>>>>>>>>>> prediction is?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure it is a prediction just as virtual particles make it happens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        What did Casimir get the Nobel Prize for, Seto?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just means that the Nobel Committee accepted Casmir's explanation that the virtual particles made it happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, no. It means that Casimir's predictions were later validated by
>>>>>> experimental confirmation, and that as a result, Casimir's theory was
>>>>>> widely used by other theorists to develop other explanations and other
>>>>>> predictions which where then also validated in experimental test.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not a confirmation of the virtual particles. It merely means that virtual particles could be one of the
>>>>> model that give rise to the Casmir force.
>>>>
>>>> And since the model makes numerical predictions that match the
>>>> measurements of the Casimir force, then that is considered a
>>>> confirmation of virtual particles, Ken.
>>>
>>> The model of Model Mechanics males identical predictions for the Casmir force. Why? Because the
>>> same equations are used to make the predictions.
>>
>> Oddly enough, though, your theory of angels doesn't include interactions
>> and so doesn't use the math of QED where the interaction term is included.
>
>
> Sure it includes interactions.....the angels push or pull the interacting objects together or apart.

That's not what the math says. The math says the spin-1/2, mass 511 keV 
thing (which you call an angel) interacts directly with the spin-0 
massless thing (which you call another kind of angel), via electric charge.

So is this consistent with your explanation involving angels or not?

>
>>
>>> This is much like SR uses the same LET equations
>>> to make predictions. The difference is that SR call the ether frame as the inertial frame to
>>> derive the LET math whereas LET acknowledges the existence of the ether frame and use it to
>>> derived the LT.
>>>>
>>>> That's how science confirms the validity of theories, Ken. You didn't
>>>> know that?
>>>
>>> You don't know that an equation can be based on different models???
>>
>> One equation, maybe, but no two models share the entire set of identical
>> equations. So no, if you think this happens, then I'm pretty sure you're
>> flat wrong.
>
> LOL....SR model is a different interpretation of LET math.

Uh, no, it's not. Never was.

>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Model Mechanics provides a better model that explains the Casmir force as follows:
>>>>> every unit area on both metal plate are moving in the same direction in the E-Matrix. This gives rise to
>>>>> an attractive force between them. each of these unit area on each plate are connected by the electromagnetic
>>>>> force and thus the metal plates are experiencing an attractive force between them.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see any predictions in any of what you just described. Casimir's
>>>> theory had predictions.
>>>
>>> The same equations can be used. replace virtual particles model with absolute motion in the same
>>> direction for opposite unit areas on both plates that creates the attractive force between them.
>>>
>>
>> Like the angels that have spin 1/2 and mass of 511 keV?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>


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