Re: Newsgroup censorship

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Newsgroup censorship
Date	2016-01-12 07:57 -0600
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On 1/11/2016 8:53 PM, benj wrote:
> What Odd is saying Peter, is that as much as possible all public
> discussions need to be censored.

Ben, I'm sure you know I consider you to be irrational. You do not think 
clearly. You invent facts, and you make up what is in other people's 
heads, and you apparently feel no remorse about that. When someone 
claims that this is not white, then you respond that that person is 
claiming this is black, when it is in fact purple -- but you can only 
see black and white. You believe that because the government has been 
known to lie, then it is to be taken to be lying about everything -- and 
the same thing goes for everyone else.

I did not say that all public discussion need to be censored, nor do I 
believe that. I do believe that *some* forums are MODERATED with 
EDITORIAL CONTROL, and neither of those words are equivalent to 
censorship, and for you to characterize moderation and editorial control 
as censorship is both dishonest and a little nuts.

> This includes the censorship imposed by
> editors on journals, the censorship of editors and owners in the public
> media and of course the censorship of moderators in Internet
> discussions. Can you imagine the havoc created if free and open
> discussions were permitted.

Free and open discussions are available here on this UNmoderated 
newsgroup. That is, free and open discussions ARE permitted. But in your 
irrational mind, if free and open discussions aren't permitted 
EVERYWHERE in EVERY VENUE, then they are permitted NOWHERE.

> People freely telling things they've seen
> and all manner of wild ideas that run counter to established dogma of
> those in power? This cannot be allowed. So control is imposed and where
> it can't be imposed as in unmoderated USENET groups those groups are
> shut down. ISPs terminating News support and as icing on the cake
> "strategic writers" are recruited to enter the groups and disrupt them

Disrupt them? You forget that they are UNMODERATED groups! People can 
say what they want on an unmoderated group, including criticizing people 
like you. If you don't want to seen criticism on an unmoderated group, 
then you don't really want an UNMODERATED group after all, do you?

> until any reasonable discussions are impossible or at least so mixed
> with insanity that if Jesus himself posted there, nobody would trust his
> sayings as possibly being valid.
>
> This is politics. It's what science has become. He who pays the piper
> calls the tune. The idea of tenure as protection from political
> influences is DEAD. PERIOD.

What does tenure have to do with moderated and unmoderated groups?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Thread

Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 10:41 -0800
  Re: Newsgroup censorship Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 12:55 -0600
    Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 11:16 -0800
      Re: Newsgroup censorship Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:43 -0600
        Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:04 -0500
    Re: Newsgroup censorship Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-11 16:29 -0600
      Re: Newsgroup censorship "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:54 -0800
        Re: Newsgroup censorship HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 02:48 -0800
          Re: Newsgroup censorship "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 06:06 -0800
            Re: Newsgroup censorship HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 07:12 -0800
              Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:16 -0500
              Re: Newsgroup censorship "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 23:27 -0800
              Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 10:20 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 10:25 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 10:30 -0800
    Re: Newsgroup censorship "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 05:58 -0800
      Re: Newsgroup censorship moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-12 16:14 +0000
        Re: Newsgroup censorship "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:36 -0800
  Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-11 19:27 +0000
  Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:21 -0600
    Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:22 -0500
      Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:41 -0600
        Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 17:11 -0800
          Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:55 -0600
  Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 13:42 -0800
    Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-11 22:22 +0000
      Re: Newsgroup censorship Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-11 16:34 -0600
        Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:57 -0800
          Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:45 -0500
            Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:34 -0600
              Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:01 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 07:59 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:26 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:11 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:58 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:07 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 00:22 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 08:01 -0600
      Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 14:51 -0800
        Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-12 00:32 +0000
          Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:00 -0800
            Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-12 02:16 +0000
              Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:12 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:34 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-12 06:19 +0000
                Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 23:10 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-12 18:35 +0000
                Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 11:05 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-12 03:39 +0000
                Re: Newsgroup censorship "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 23:06 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 23:28 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-01-12 14:33 -0600
              Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:17 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2016-01-12 03:41 +0000
        Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 17:07 -0800
          Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 19:47 -0600
            Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 21:53 -0500
              Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 07:57 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:21 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:05 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 12:12 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:32 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:04 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:09 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 00:24 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 08:03 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:55 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 17:04 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 00:21 -0500
            Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 20:16 -0800
              Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:33 -0600
            Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 21:02 -0800
              Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:37 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-12 16:04 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 16:17 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:43 -0600
                Re: Newsgroup censorship "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:48 -0800
                Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 17:51 -0500
                Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-14 14:19 -0600
          Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 18:13 -0800
            Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 20:37 -0600
              Re: Newsgroup censorship pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-01-11 19:27 -0800
    Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:33 -0500
  Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 15:54 -0600
    Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 17:35 -0500
  Re: Newsgroup censorship Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-12 13:40 +1100
    Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-11 22:08 -0500
    Re: Newsgroup censorship R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2016-01-12 03:13 +0000
    Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 20:56 -0800
      Re: Newsgroup censorship Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-01-12 22:21 +1100
      Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:34 -0600
  Re: Newsgroup censorship Peter Riedt <riedt1@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-01-11 22:00 -0800
  Re: Newsgroup censorship jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-01-12 13:40 +0000
  Re: Newsgroup censorship Catherine Jefferson <spamtrap@spambouncer.org> - 2016-01-12 08:42 -0800
    Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 11:04 -0600
    Re: Newsgroup censorship HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 09:13 -0800
  Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 11:26 -0800
    Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:09 -0600
      Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 12:27 -0800
        Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 14:38 -0600
          Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 12:54 -0800
        Re: Newsgroup censorship benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 18:00 -0500
  Re: Newsgroup censorship Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2016-01-12 17:28 -0800
    Re: Newsgroup censorship Solving Tornadoes <solvingtornadoes@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 20:23 -0800
      Re: Newsgroup censorship "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 07:54 -0800
  Re: Newsgroup censorship James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 09:58 -0800
    Re: Newsgroup censorship Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 12:13 -0600
      Re: Newsgroup censorship HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-01-13 10:16 -0800

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