Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :)

From	Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :)
Date	2016-01-08 17:00 +0000
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On 08/01/2016 05:43, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 12:47:25 PM UTC-7, Gerry wrote:
>> On 05/01/2016 21:03, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> Anytime that you write code that constructs a string of source-code and evaluates that string, you are admitting that your language has failed you.

That's one way of looking at it; another way is to say that the language 
has served us by providing EVALUATE for situations that the language 
standardisers didn't foresee :)

>
> This is over-complicated because EXECUTE-PARSING is constructing
>  source-code for colon to use, but colon is passing this source-code
>  (the name of the function being defined) into something very
> similar to :NAME --- so, you are defining :NAME with code that
>  calls :NAME internally --- it would be a lot simpler if :NAME were
>  just exposed to the user.

I agree that it would be better if the language provided such defining 
words.

If EXECUTE-PARSING is built in to a system it can be very efficient - as 
Anton Ertl demonstrated. Similarly if :NAME is built in.

Anyway, according to Anton Ertl's reply to Andrew Haley it seems I was 
wrong with my definition of :NAME. But if you see my reply to Anton it 
looks as if :NAME suffers from the same problem.

>
>> Anyway I don't think anyone is particularly trying to standardise
>> EXECUTE-PARSING, I don't think that an RfD has been issued for it and it
>> certainly isn't in the Forth 2012 standard.
>
> When I wrote an RfD for :NAME it was killed on the basis that
>  EXECUTE-PARSING does the job better --- this is effectively saying
>  that EXECUTE-PARSING has already been accepted into the Forth-200x
>  standard --- how else would you interpret this argument?

I don't remember the statement being made that "EXECUTE-PARSING does the 
job better". How can it? EXECUTE-PARSING is more general word than :NAME 
which is highly specific, they are not competing.

>
> The reason why nobody has written an RfD for EXECUTE-PARSING is that
>  the committee is still looking for somebody to put their name on it.

More likely that the concept of recognisers mostly supersedes the need 
for EXECUTE-PARSING


-- 
Gerry

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Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 21:44 -0700
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-10-07 08:24 +0200
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 00:48 -0700
    Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 05:41 -0700
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-07 12:05 -0700
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 18:04 -0800
    Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-27 18:12 -0800
      Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-12-28 13:33 +0100
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 00:54 -0800
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 12:32 -0800
    Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 12:43 -0800
      Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-12-28 22:13 +0100
        Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 13:21 -0800
          Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-12-28 23:47 +0100
      Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 13:13 -0800
        Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-12-28 23:50 +0100
          Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 15:33 -0800
            Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-28 15:37 -1000
              Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 22:18 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-28 22:31 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 23:30 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 02:47 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 08:19 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 08:26 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 09:34 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-12-29 10:22 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-30 12:15 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 08:26 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-31 16:10 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 08:35 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 08:51 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 12:21 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-30 10:46 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 13:15 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-30 13:11 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-30 15:35 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-30 15:00 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2015-12-31 00:13 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2015-12-31 10:09 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-31 13:46 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-31 13:56 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-31 17:24 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-01 14:23 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-01 20:24 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 22:38 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-02 13:24 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-02 15:32 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-02 16:41 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-03 14:43 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-02 13:13 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-31 16:57 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-31 16:41 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-31 14:13 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-12-31 22:27 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-01 13:38 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 18:46 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-01-01 09:01 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 22:35 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-01-01 08:39 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 21:01 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-01 20:18 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-12-31 22:19 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-01 21:43 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 23:36 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-02 15:36 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-02 12:18 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-03 14:34 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-03 19:57 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-04 22:49 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-01-04 15:05 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-04 20:36 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-05 13:03 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-05 14:30 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-05 21:10 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-05 21:26 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-06 05:01 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 00:13 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-06 19:47 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-07 21:43 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-08 05:54 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-08 16:44 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-08 16:27 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-08 17:18 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-08 17:00 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-08 04:52 -0600
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-08 11:27 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-08 16:44 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-08 21:17 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-08 16:57 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-08 17:06 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-08 20:24 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-09 17:05 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-01-08 20:02 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-08 21:49 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-09 22:06 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-10 07:46 -0600
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-10 14:35 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-10 11:55 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-12 13:26 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2016-01-12 15:10 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-01-12 13:23 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-12 20:42 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-12 21:08 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-13 15:17 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2016-01-13 13:26 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-04 14:19 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-05 07:24 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2015-12-31 16:24 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-29 12:31 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-12-29 14:52 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-12-30 02:11 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-29 23:46 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-12-30 21:25 +1100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-30 09:17 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-12-31 12:55 +1100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-30 16:26 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2016-01-02 12:30 +1100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2016-01-01 16:31 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 21:31 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2016-01-02 12:04 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) stephen@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2015-12-31 12:04 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-31 13:31 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-31 08:50 -1000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-01 14:13 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-31 14:34 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-12-31 22:39 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-01 10:05 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 18:16 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Jan Coombs <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com> - 2016-01-01 17:49 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 19:23 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-01 15:53 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-02 14:20 +0100
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2016-01-02 16:34 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Mikael Nordman <oh2aun@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 14:08 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-12-30 20:40 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-30 08:28 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-30 11:11 +0000
          Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-12-28 15:40 -0800
            Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-12-30 10:14 +1100
          Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-12-28 15:35 -1000
            Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-12-30 20:58 -0800
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2016-01-02 02:25 -0800

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