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Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :)

From Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :)
Date 2016-01-08 21:49 +0100
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Stephen Pelc wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:57:27 +0000, Gerry Jackson
> <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>>> |16.3.3 Finding definition names
>>> |
>>> |[...] An ambiguous condition exists if a program changes the
>>> |[compilation
>>> |word list during the compilation of a definition [...]
>>
>>I wasn't aware of that one. It makes my claim about using
>>EXECUTE-PARSING to define :NAME wrong. But OTOH looking at Hugh's Novice
>>package :NAME does exactly the same thing
>>
>>... GET-CURRENT >R SET-CURRENT ( create a string and evaluate it ) R>
>>SET-CURRENT
>>
>>so he's violating that ambiguous condition as well.
>>Therefore both versions can only use the compilation wordlist so there
>>is no point in passing a wordlist into :NAME
> 
> When the needs of people are not what the standard permits, perhaps
> it is time to change the standard. Remember that one purpose of a
> standard is to serve the needs of the current users.
> 
> When it's wrong, change it.

Traditionally, Forth added a word to the current wordlist at definition, but 
kept it hidden (with SMUDGE).  Only the ; revealed the word.  So it's two 
stage: the first stage is at : where it is inserted in the list, the second 
stage is at ; to reveal the word.  If you happen to change the current 
search order in between, this shouldn't affect where it gets revealed.

So if you don't have a traditional implementation with a smudge bit, you at 
least should remember the current wordlist where to add the word.  Most 
people who follow the traditional approach or at least want to be compatible 
with it, do anyhow.

bigForth uses a non-traditional reveal, and doesn't keep track of the last 
current, so a word like

vocabulary v1 vocabulary v2
also v1 definitions
: bla [ v2 definitions ] ." in v1" ;

actually ends up in v2.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
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  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-10-07 08:24 +0200
  Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 00:48 -0700
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      Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-12-28 22:13 +0100
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-31 13:56 +0000
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-01 21:43 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Raimond Dragomir <raimond.dragomir@gmail.com> - 2016-01-01 23:36 -0800
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-03 19:57 -0800
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-04 22:49 +0000
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) "WJ" <w_a_x_man@yahoo.com> - 2016-01-06 00:13 +0000
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-08 17:00 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2016-01-08 04:52 -0600
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-08 11:27 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-08 16:44 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2016-01-08 21:17 +0100
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-08 17:06 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) Gerry Jackson <gerry@jackson9000.fsnet.co.uk> - 2016-01-08 20:24 +0000
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2016-01-12 20:42 -0800
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-13 15:17 +0000
                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2016-01-13 13:26 -0800
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-31 13:31 +0000
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2016-01-01 10:05 +0000
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                Re: Boring for most of you, but I'm having fun ... :) anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-12-30 11:11 +0000
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