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Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp

From "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org>
Newsgroups ger.ct
Subject Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp
Date 2015-12-24 11:29 +0100
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Am 24.12.15 um 10:52 schrieb Hergen Lehmann:

>> WhatsApp ist weder sicher noch privat. Oder haben die inzwischen
>> Ende-zu-Ende-Verschlüsselung?
> 
> Ja, haben sie. Aber
> 1. nur zwischen Android-Geräten mit einer aktuellen Version der App,
> 2. nur bei direkten Nachrichten, nicht bei Gruppen,
> 3. ohne Kontrollmöglichkeit, ob im Einzelfall tatsächlich verschlüsselt
> wird (wollte sich XY nicht ein iPhone holen?),
> 4. ohne Wissen darüber, wo die Schlüssel gespeichert werden, und ob auf
> diesem Weg nicht doch Hintertüren für NSA&Co existieren,
> 5. ohne Wissen darüber, welche Daten die App direkt auf dem Endgerät (wo
> die Nachrichten zwangsläufig unverschlüsselt vorliegen) sammelt und nach
> Hause sendet.
> 
> Hergen

Ja, das sind die bekannten Limitationen. Also zum IS verabreden sollte
man sich nach wie vor nicht über WhatsApp, die meisten
Alltagsgeschichten sind wohl ausreichend gesichert, verglichen mit dem
Postkartencharakter von eMail.

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Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Jörg Tewes" <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-23 14:19 +0100
  Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-23 14:48 +0100
  Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2015-12-23 18:01 +0100
    Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-12-23 19:03 +0100
      Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-23 19:11 +0100
        Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2015-12-24 01:53 +0100
          Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 08:03 +0100
            Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-24 08:13 +0000
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 09:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 10:04 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:26 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-12-24 10:11 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 10:24 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-12-24 10:25 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 11:13 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 10:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 11:29 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 12:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 13:16 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 13:32 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:33 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 14:04 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 14:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 14:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 22:01 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 23:29 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 22:44 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-28 00:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2015-12-28 10:08 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:30 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 11:26 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 11:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-24 16:20 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:35 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 22:00 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 08:18 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:24 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:38 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:26 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 11:44 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 12:55 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 13:03 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 12:29 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Florian Maier <holeinone5@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 11:38 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-27 13:39 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-27 14:43 +0100
              Nicht Mail ist kaputt, sondern viele jene Nutzende (was: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp) "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2015-12-24 11:04 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:24 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-26 13:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Frank Boehm <fraboehm@gmx.de> - 2015-12-26 19:45 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 21:54 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 23:34 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-27 00:30 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 01:48 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:11 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 22:29 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-28 16:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-28 16:56 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-28 19:44 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-28 03:15 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-29 11:49 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 23:45 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:17 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:29 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:45 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 09:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 09:47 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 09:51 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 10:39 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:46 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:47 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 10:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 13:43 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 14:14 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 14:36 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 14:50 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 15:34 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 15:44 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2015-12-27 15:53 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 16:03 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 12:16 -0800
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-27 20:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:16 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:12 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 11:23 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 14:02 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 11:43 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 13:02 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 13:21 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 13:35 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 13:59 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 20:18 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 23:10 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-28 17:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-28 21:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-28 12:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 22:30 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:20 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:41 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 12:21 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-27 14:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-01-01 21:49 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-02 01:47 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-01-02 22:00 +0100
            Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 09:52 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:37 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-25 16:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-25 16:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@arcor.de> - 2015-12-25 17:30 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Frank Boehm <fraboehm@gmx.de> - 2015-12-25 20:27 +0000
            Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2015-12-25 13:39 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-25 13:49 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-25 14:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-25 23:57 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-26 00:44 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 02:06 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-26 03:05 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 08:32 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 12:35 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-27 09:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 11:01 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Friederich Daumeyer <spam-yourself@none.invalid> - 2015-12-30 16:20 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-30 17:19 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-30 16:57 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-30 18:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-31 10:16 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 11:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-01 16:10 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 17:01 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-01-01 17:33 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-01 17:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 22:34 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-02 00:06 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-02 01:10 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-02 02:05 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-02 02:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-01-02 08:04 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 21:54 -0800
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-31 13:12 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Friederich Daumeyer <spam-yourself@none.invalid> - 2016-01-04 10:43 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-01-04 11:28 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Friederich Daumeyer <spam-yourself@none.invalid> - 2016-01-04 11:58 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 10:58 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-26 13:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 13:36 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-26 13:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 17:08 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 20:48 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Günter Frenz <usenet-01@guefz.de> - 2015-12-26 21:03 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 22:10 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 22:12 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 23:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Günter Frenz <usenet-01@guefz.de> - 2015-12-26 23:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Günter Frenz <usenet-01@guefz.de> - 2015-12-27 21:49 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-28 12:00 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-25 23:47 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 08:53 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 21:59 +0000

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