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Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp

From Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de>
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Subject Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp
Date 2015-12-24 16:20 +0100
Message-ID <567C0D30.7040806@mid.tprac.de> (permalink)
References (5 earlier) <n5g5bj$mnm$1@news.albasani.net> <1t567ba661i253en3e8%sfroehli@Froehlich.Priv.at> <n5gbs7$1sq$1@news.albasani.net> <n5g9mq$uf7$1@news.bawue.net> <n5gh9d$brd$2@news.albasani.net>

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Dr. Joachim Neudert aber hob an zu reden und schrieb:
>> WhatsApp ist weder sicher noch privat. Oder haben die inzwischen 
>> Ende-zu-Ende-Verschlüsselung?
…
> Bei den Androiden schon. Ist allerdings nicht ausreichend offen 
> gelegt. Der Algorithmus ist aber bekannt und gilt als sehr gut.

Das ist eine sehr lustige „Argumentation“.

Solange mein System an sich nicht offen ist, kann ich auch behaupten,
ich würde One-Time-Pads zum Verschlüsseln benutzen —
der Wert einer solchen Aussage ist dennoch gleich Null.

Es läuft am Ende einfach auf „Vertrauen“ (aka „mir doch egal“) hinaus.

> NSA-Proof sind sie mit Sicherheit nicht. Dann muß man mindestens 
> iMessage

… behauptet der Hersteller, der in USA sitzt, und dessen System closed
sind …

> oder Threema

… behauptet der Hersteller, dessen System closed sind …

> evtl Telegram

… behauptet der Hersteller, dessen System closed sind …

> nehmen. Aber für das was die Omas so senden und empfangen (die
> Vorfahren meiner AH haben einen Gruppenchat "Die Tanten" gegründet,
> der brummt nur so, alle um die 70, genau wie im OP) ist es schon ganz
> gut.

Weil Status „mir doch egal“ und „ich habe ja nix zu verbergen,
Hauptsache, die Lisbeth kriegt nix davon mit“.


Karsten
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Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Jörg Tewes" <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-23 14:19 +0100
  Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-23 14:48 +0100
  Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2015-12-23 18:01 +0100
    Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-12-23 19:03 +0100
      Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-23 19:11 +0100
        Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2015-12-24 01:53 +0100
          Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 08:03 +0100
            Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-24 08:13 +0000
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 09:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 10:04 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:26 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-12-24 10:11 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 10:24 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-12-24 10:25 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 11:13 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 10:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 11:29 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 12:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 13:16 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 13:32 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:33 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 14:04 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 14:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-12-24 14:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 22:01 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 23:29 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 22:44 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-28 00:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2015-12-28 10:08 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:30 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-24 11:26 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 11:31 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-24 16:20 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:35 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 22:00 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 08:18 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:24 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:38 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:26 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 11:44 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 12:55 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 13:03 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 12:29 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Florian Maier <holeinone5@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 11:38 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-27 13:39 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-27 14:43 +0100
              Nicht Mail ist kaputt, sondern viele jene Nutzende (was: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp) "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2015-12-24 11:04 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:24 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-26 13:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Frank Boehm <fraboehm@gmx.de> - 2015-12-26 19:45 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 21:54 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 23:34 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-27 00:30 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 01:48 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:11 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 22:29 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-28 16:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-28 16:56 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-28 19:44 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-28 03:15 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-29 11:49 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 23:45 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:17 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:29 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:45 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 09:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 09:47 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 09:51 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 10:39 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:46 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:47 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 10:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 13:43 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 14:14 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 14:36 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 14:50 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 15:34 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 15:44 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Walter Schmid <paulwalterschmid@vtxmail.ch> - 2015-12-27 15:53 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 16:03 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 12:16 -0800
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-27 20:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 09:16 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:12 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 11:23 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 14:02 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-27 11:43 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 13:02 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 13:21 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-27 13:35 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 13:59 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 20:18 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dennis Preiser <d__p@d--p.de> - 2015-12-27 23:10 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-28 17:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-28 21:54 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-28 12:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 22:30 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 10:20 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:41 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-27 12:21 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-27 14:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-01-01 21:49 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-02 01:47 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2016-01-02 22:00 +0100
            Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-24 09:52 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-24 18:37 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-25 16:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-25 16:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@arcor.de> - 2015-12-25 17:30 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Frank Boehm <fraboehm@gmx.de> - 2015-12-25 20:27 +0000
            Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Gerald Gruner <gerald314@yahoo.de> - 2015-12-25 13:39 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-25 13:49 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-25 14:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-25 23:57 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-26 00:44 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 02:06 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2015-12-26 03:05 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 08:32 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 12:35 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-27 09:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-27 11:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 11:01 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Friederich Daumeyer <spam-yourself@none.invalid> - 2015-12-30 16:20 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-30 17:19 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-30 16:57 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-30 18:52 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-12-31 10:16 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-31 11:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-01 16:10 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 17:01 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lars Gebauer <lars.gebauer@yahoo.de> - 2016-01-01 17:33 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-01 17:40 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-01 22:34 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-02 00:06 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-02 01:10 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Karsten Düsterloh <trash@tprac.de> - 2016-01-02 02:05 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2016-01-02 02:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2016-01-02 08:04 +0000
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2016-01-01 21:54 -0800
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-31 13:12 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Friederich Daumeyer <spam-yourself@none.invalid> - 2016-01-04 10:43 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2016-01-04 11:28 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Friederich Daumeyer <spam-yourself@none.invalid> - 2016-01-04 11:58 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 10:58 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-26 13:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 13:36 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-12-26 13:22 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 17:08 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 20:48 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Günter Frenz <usenet-01@guefz.de> - 2015-12-26 21:03 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 22:10 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 22:12 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-12-26 23:42 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Günter Frenz <usenet-01@guefz.de> - 2015-12-26 23:45 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-27 21:00 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Günter Frenz <usenet-01@guefz.de> - 2015-12-27 21:49 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2015-12-28 12:00 +0100
              Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-12-25 23:47 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-12-26 08:53 +0100
                Re: Cryptomessenger vs. Whatsapp Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-12-26 21:59 +0000

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