Re: Do neutrinos really have masses?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Do neutrinos really have masses?
Date	2015-12-18 07:56 -0600
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On 12/18/2015 3:44 AM, Poutnik wrote:
> On 12/18/2015 12:14 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 12/17/2015 4:22 PM, Poutnik wrote:
>>> Well, this feature of the model is a good description of reality.
>>
>> Curvature and permittivity are BOTH good descriptions of reality --
>> wait, they're not really. They're properties of the model, remember? Not
>> properties of reality.
>>
>> So when you say "description of reality", you're not really talking
>> about the properties OF that reality, are you?
>
> They, as properties of our model of reality,
> are *according our knowledge* good description of reality.

Knowledge of what? Knowledge of reality or knowledge of the model?
You're talking in circles.
Either you say we know nothing of reality (and therefore there is NO 
knowledge of anything being a good description of *reality*), or you say 
that models do represent real aspects of reality. There is no middle ground.

>
>>
>> The problem I have with all this is that "description of reality"
>> becomes wholly muddied up. Because the only way you can apply ANY
>> quality measures on the model (as in "good description of reality") is
>> to say things like, "Well, we can predict observations with the model,
>> where observations are not really observing reality, but only the
>> outcome of some procedure we follow, and the procedure itself (and hence
>> the 'observation') is another model, and the quality of the model is how
>> well the predictions match the 'observation', but reality hasn't really
>> entered into it at all." Thus science reduces to some sort of
>> internalized navel-gazing, where we're not really able to say anything
>> about nature at all. And hence "good description of reality" is an
>> impotent and inaccurate phrase, in this philosophy.
>
> I am aware of what we talk about
> lays at the border of science and philosophy.
>
> People use in everyday life many simplifications in used terms,
> as it is very practical for usual life. But it is a trap
> if we think more deeply about reality observation.
>
> Science is like a guy in one room,
> asking a guy-in-the-middle ( our sences and devices )
> what is the girl in the other room like.
>
> The guy provides us with some information,
> used in creation of our mental model of the girl.

I get that. But are those properties to be considered representative of 
the features of the real girl?

>
> What people would call girl properties
> are properties of their model of the girl.
> These properties are created as model attributes,
> addressing patterns in states and changes of available information.
>
>
> Let imagine you are sitting at the table, watching your cup of tea.
> You are watching ( more generally observing ) the reality, right ?
> Your cup of tea.
>
> But wait.. What is happening during that time ?
> Light as flow of Em energy impacts at the cup border,
> reflects, absorbs, reemits, difracts, refracts, disperges...
> Then, it flies from the cup toward you,does the same with your eye.
> That it finally excites the light sensitive molecules,
> what starts chains of chemical reactions,
> what leads to change of ionic distributions in cells,
> that leads to change of electrostatic potentials,
> that propagates along eye nerve cells,
> that distributes within complex structure of your visual center,
> that is by the brain magic by the cells in visual centre
> interpreted  like some object with some attributes,
> that is later in some other brain centre
> interpreted via pattern recognition as your cup of tea,
> creating mental image as one particular form
> of model of the reality - of cup of tea.
>
> Are you sure the attributes of you mental cup image
> are attributes of the cup ?

Certain? Absolutely not!
But is there a scientific assumption that the attributes of the mental 
cup image DO correspond to real attributes of the cup? Absolutely. 
Otherwise, it's just navel-gazing.

>
>
>
>>
>> I'm not saying that our description of reality is perfect -- it never
>> is, but to say that quantum mechanical spin doesn't have any meaning or
>> any referent in a property of a REAL electron, just seems to beg the
>> whole question of the value of science.
>
> This is misinterpretation.
> Being identical to and having no relation to are 2 opposite extremes.
> Negation of 1 extreme is not the opposite extreme,
> as not black is not white.
>

And I'm not claiming identity. I'm claiming strong relation, a 
fundamental assumption of science.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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