Re: Do neutrinos really have masses?

From	Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Do neutrinos really have masses?
Date	2015-12-17 23:22 +0100
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Dne 17/12/2015 v 22:46 Odd Bodkin napsal(a):
> On 12/17/2015 3:03 PM, Poutnik wrote:
>> But vacuum is not an object identical
>> to object of our topological model of reality.
>> No, I say there is zebra animal and math model of zebra animal.
> 
> This is similar to a discussion I've had with Tom Roberts.

> Is quantum mechanical spin a property of electrons or a property of our 
> model of electrons?

Of course of our model.
So do our opinions about other people are properties
of our models of their personality.

Our knowledge of reality is like as a curve
asymptotically ( but not so smoothly ) reaching the line of reality.

But, some parameters of the reality model
may be right, within their errors, and some are wrong.

> The purpose of building models is so that you can say you understand 
> something about the natural things that the model represents. So either 
> you'd be having to say that this is in fact FUTILE and science doesn't 
> actually give you any insight as to what natural things are like at all; 
> or you'd have to be making rather arbitrary decisions of the form, 
> "Well, this feature is a good description of reality, but this other 
> feature is only a feature of the model." If the latter, then I would 
> say, how do you know?

Well, this feature of the model is a good description of reality.

> 
> As I said, light considered as a natural (actually existing) thing is 
> actually observed to bend as it passes near a material object, on its 
> path from one material object to another material object. This is what I 
> would call a real behavior, or something that light can be said to 
> really do.

Other possibility is, as our natural 3D model of space is wrong near
massive objects, we observe the straight line of light as bended.

> .....(Of course, you have to define "bend" as stating that the
> trajectories are not parallel in the asymptotic regions far from the 
> material body that is suppose to cause the effect.) Now the question is, 
> do you attribute that bend to a property in the mathematical model of 
> the vacuum, or do you attribute it to something in the real vacuum? If 

Neither, Neither.

> the former, how does a mathematical model influence the behavior of real 
> light? Or said another way, is the metric property of the mathematical 
> model of the vacuum not supposed to represent something about the real 
> vacuum?
> 


Do not you just bring the idea of vacuum-luminoferous-aether ?

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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