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Re: off topic: old house wiring?

From	Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: off topic: old house wiring?
Date	2015-12-10 01:54 +0100
Organization	Me, Myself and I
Message-ID	<n2vmjc-nme.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> (permalink)
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In article <1829973952.471388425.524289.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
Peter Flass  <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <4bfe5610-cbb3-4dd2-a711-f9af1720f640@googlegroups.com>,
>>  <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>> At the end of WW II, in the late 1940s and early 1950s, a
>>> zillion houses were built for the returning servicemen and
>>> their new families.  Actually, during the war itself a 
>>> fair number of "defense" housing units were built to
>>> house workers at key defense plants.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, based on the other thread, I was wondering 
>>> what kind of shape is their electrical wiring in?
>>> It's been 60-65 years, and insulation can decay
>>> over time.
>>> 
>>> While I suspect most homeowners have upgraded their
>>> main service to more power, I don't think they 
>>> underwent the expense to rewire every room in the
>>> house--they could get rather expensive, especially
>>> for simple houses and modest-income residents.
>>> 
>>> (As mentioned, our family didn't bother upgrading
>>> to 100 amp as it was rather expensive, we could
>>> make do with our one a/c and 60 amp.  but we no 
>>> longer live in that house.)
>>> 
>> I am a little taken aback by these numbers. We have
>> a three-phase 63A intake, which is HUGE in Europe.
>> We do get 63 x 235 x 1.71 ~= 25 kW. by that. Enough
>> for several rapid electric car chargers plus a lot
>> of house.
>> 
>
>100 amps seems to have been the minimum here for many years.  I don't know
>if newer construction supports more, though I wouldn't be surprised.

I boggle at the amount of metal in your distribution network.
63 amps takes 16mm2, 12 in air spans. That is for copper cable, 
al is 1.3 times more. Easily half a kg per meter for the cable.

200A is three times that, and then the pure raw material price
of the copper or aluminium will start to matter, going into 
double digit dollars per meter.

-- mrr

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off topic:  old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 11:01 -0800
  Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-09 14:17 -0600
    Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-09 16:18 -0500
      Re: off topic:  old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 13:38 -0800
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-12-09 17:38 -0600
        Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-10 13:54 -0600
  Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-09 21:43 +0100
    Re: off topic:  old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 13:19 -0800
      Re: off topic:  old house wiring? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-12 10:38 -0600
        Re: off topic:  old house wiring? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-12-12 16:53 +0000
        Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-12 18:06 +0100
          Re: off topic:  old house wiring? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-12 11:31 -0600
          Re: off topic:  old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-12 11:25 -0800
        Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-12 18:41 +0000
          Re: off topic:  old house wiring? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-12 17:14 -0600
            Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-12-12 23:31 +0000
            Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-12 21:42 -0500
    Re: off topic: old house wiring? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-09 16:22 -0500
      Re: off topic: old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-09 13:42 -0800
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-09 17:11 -0500
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-12-09 19:41 -0600
      Re: off topic: old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-10 01:54 +0100
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-09 22:42 -0600
          Re: off topic: old house wiring? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-14 17:28 -0600
            Re: off topic: old house wiring? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-15 08:19 +0000
              Re: off topic: old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-15 09:48 +0100
              Re: off topic: old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-16 09:53 -0800
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? "Ranger" <r5432@gmail.com> - 2015-12-10 17:44 +1100
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-10 15:23 -0500
          Re: off topic: old house wiring? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-10 20:49 +0000
          Re: off topic: old house wiring? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-10 23:48 +0000
            Re: off topic: old house wiring? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-10 23:12 -0500
              Re: off topic: old house wiring? mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-11 10:12 +0000
              Re: off topic: old house wiring? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-11 08:31 -0600
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-12-11 14:47 +0000
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-11 09:06 -0600
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:49 +0000
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 09:37 -0800
            Re: off topic: old house wiring? mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-11 10:08 +0000
              Re: off topic: old house wiring? cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-12-11 08:38 -0600
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? mausg@mail.com - 2015-12-11 16:24 +0000
              Re: off topic: old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-11 15:17 +0100
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 09:30 -0800
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-11 12:43 -0600
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-11 11:09 -0800
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-11 22:56 +0000
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-11 14:47 -0500
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-11 15:13 -0600
      Re: off topic: old house wiring? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-09 22:39 -0600
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-09 23:12 -0600
          Re: off topic: old house wiring? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-10 00:59 -0600
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-10 09:48 +0100
          Re: off topic: old house wiring? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-10 12:40 +0000
          Re: off topic: old house wiring? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-10 11:02 -0600
            Re: off topic: old house wiring? Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-12-11 22:01 -0600
              Re: off topic: old house wiring? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-12 00:48 -0600
                Re: off topic: old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-12 11:16 +0100
      Re: off topic: old house wiring? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-14 17:25 -0600
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-16 09:45 -0800
    Re: off topic:  old house wiring? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-10 14:06 +0000
    Re: off topic:  old house wiring? "capek@ieee.org <Peter Capek>" <peter.capek@gmail.com> - 2015-12-12 11:50 -0800
      Re: off topic:  old house wiring? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-12 16:56 -0600

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