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"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
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> In article 
> <1829973952.471388425.524289.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Peter Flass  <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <4bfe5610-cbb3-4dd2-a711-f9af1720f640@googlegroups.com>,
>>>  <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>>> At the end of WW II, in the late 1940s and early 1950s, a
>>>> zillion houses were built for the returning servicemen and
>>>> their new families.  Actually, during the war itself a
>>>> fair number of "defense" housing units were built to
>>>> house workers at key defense plants.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, based on the other thread, I was wondering
>>>> what kind of shape is their electrical wiring in?
>>>> It's been 60-65 years, and insulation can decay
>>>> over time.
>>>>
>>>> While I suspect most homeowners have upgraded their
>>>> main service to more power, I don't think they
>>>> underwent the expense to rewire every room in the
>>>> house--they could get rather expensive, especially
>>>> for simple houses and modest-income residents.
>>>>
>>>> (As mentioned, our family didn't bother upgrading
>>>> to 100 amp as it was rather expensive, we could
>>>> make do with our one a/c and 60 amp.  but we no
>>>> longer live in that house.)
>>>>
>>> I am a little taken aback by these numbers. We have
>>> a three-phase 63A intake, which is HUGE in Europe.
>>> We do get 63 x 235 x 1.71 ~= 25 kW. by that. Enough
>>> for several rapid electric car chargers plus a lot
>>> of house.
>>>
>>
>>100 amps seems to have been the minimum here for many years.  I don't know
>>if newer construction supports more, though I wouldn't be surprised.

> I boggle at the amount of metal in your distribution network.
> 63 amps takes 16mm2, 12 in air spans. That is for copper cable,
> al is 1.3 times more. Easily half a kg per meter for the cable.

They have a lot more small transformers in their system.
Often called pole pigs.

> 200A is three times that, and then the pure raw material price
> of the copper or aluminium will start to matter, going into
> double digit dollars per meter.
 

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  Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-09 14:17 -0600
    Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-12-09 16:18 -0500
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        Re: off topic:  old house wiring? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-10 13:54 -0600
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        Re: off topic: old house wiring? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-09 17:11 -0500
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-12-09 19:41 -0600
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            Re: off topic: old house wiring? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-15 08:19 +0000
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          Re: off topic: old house wiring? Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-12-10 00:59 -0600
        Re: off topic: old house wiring? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-10 09:48 +0100
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