Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor?
Date	2015-11-20 14:14 -0600
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On 11/20/2015 10:46 AM, jay moseley wrote:
> ODD wrote..
>
>>> galaxies. According to your thesis there should only be just > thin almost nonexistent traces of various gases.
>
>> ??? That's not my thesis at all. We're talking about interSTELLAR medium and the deflection of light around STARS and PLANETS.
>
> You may have misunderstood my point..Ill try it in other words...
>
> Your argument, that is the relativistic argument, is based on the assumption
> that the exact density and composition of ISM or IGM or even that around
> close proximity to planets or stars is known to an exact amount.
> I am citing examples where under YOUR assumptions the density was assumed
> to be known and assumed to be very low density. My examples show that where
> YOU thought there to be nothing but a near vacuum. Was in fact either dense
> cluster of invisible mass ( the recently  discovered dark galaxies where nothing
> but vacuum was assumed) or a visible atmosphere where none was assumed( pluto).
> These examples show how far off any assumptions are that relativity makes about
> Anywhere outside of our own upper atmosphere.

So the statement you're making is that, because galaxies have been 
observed where we didn't know they existed before, then this calls into 
question EVERY density measurement made anywhere. This is ridiculous.
We know for example, that we discover new species of fish at the bottom 
of the ocean, where we have poor measurements of the variety of species. 
And on this basis you would say that, for all we know, there are lots of 
unknown fish species in ponds and lakes in Iowa?

> And with regards to your claims about the solar wind. There are flaws in your
> assumption we now know exact amounts.  We dont. Every year new measurements
> come in that confound previous assumptions. AND, measurements of the solar
> wind do not include the local ISM.

Sorry, but this doesn't change anything. Yes, solar wind quantities 
aren't EXACTLY known, and yes, recent measurements have increased the 
density of the solar wind -- but by a relatively small amount. And what 
this means is that further increments will be smaller still, and ALL of 
those are not going to be enough to account for bending of light to the 
degree you claim.

> With regards to the use of the word measurement. In context a measurement
> is not data coming through a telescope from a distant star. A measurement
> has to be a physical measurement in situ. Prefereably an optical experiment
> in space to measure refraction through the medium in question. Thats all I accept.

What YOU would accept is IRRELEVANT. It's a cheap spluttering objection 
to say we haven't measured the density of space beyond the solar system 
because we've never sent someone out there with a sampling box.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 05:52 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 06:08 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 06:19 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 06:53 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 08:41 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:35 -0800
  general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 09:05 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 09:23 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 10:15 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 11:50 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:54 -0600
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 10:14 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 12:24 -0600
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 13:42 -0600
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:55 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:43 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:09 -0800
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:12 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 10:16 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:50 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:45 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 09:30 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:35 -0600
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 14:03 -0500
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    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 13:38 -0500
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    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 19:47 -0500
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 13:40 -0800
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  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 18:03 -0500
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 06:37 -0800
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  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 06:19 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 10:40 -0600
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 08:44 -0800
        Re: Curved spaceTIME -- not: "curvature of space = metaphor?". "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 13:30 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-13 10:14 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 13:40 -0600
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 13:33 -0800
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            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 16:59 -0600
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            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 10:47 -0600
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                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 15:44 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 23:15 -0800
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                Re: Do you _understand_ General Relativity better ? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-24 13:53 -0800
                Re: Prefering the mystical/magical. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-28 14:34 -0800
                Re: "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 14:17 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 23:10 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 22:49 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 06:35 -0800
                Re: Where does massEnergy end and spaceTime begin ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:57 -0500
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:14 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:17 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:24 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:46 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-25 20:55 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-27 08:51 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 10:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-27 13:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-28 01:28 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Hoofington P. McSnort" <iinvalid@eksample.com> - 2015-11-29 12:22 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-29 22:44 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 11:00 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-25 18:19 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-13 13:28 -0800
            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-18 22:14 -0800
              Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:40 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 22:57 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:51 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-27 14:48 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-30 02:45 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-12-03 20:58 -0800
                "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-12-03 21:27 -0800
                "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-04 01:54 -0800
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                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-04 01:46 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 12:54 +0100
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-05 05:28 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 07:36 -0600
                e.g bingODoG noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 17:14 -0800
              Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 09:41 -0800
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 10:29 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-17 10:01 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 13:10 -0600
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:35 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:15 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-13 12:28 -0800

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