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Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor?

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor?
Date 2015-11-18 08:12 -0600
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On 11/18/2015 7:52 AM, jay moseley wrote:
> Oddbod wrote...
>>>> from the newtonian solution is u3. And it uses u1&2 from newton to calculate u 3.
>>>> U3=1-(U1+U2). U3 is essentially the difference between observed and
>>>> predicted (from newtons equations). Is this true or false?
>
>> This notation (U1, U2, U3) is not in the original paper, nor is it in the book I
>> referenced. I have no idea where you pulled it from, nor did you reference it.
>
> I told you already a few posts ago. You couldnt be assed to check.

No you didn't. You told me a Google search phrase to use.
If you can't tell me the URL you have in mind....

> It seems
> to be written differently each time depending on the reference which is a sign
> of how complex mathematically it is.

Sorry, but no. Mathematics is a language. There is more than one way to 
say the same thing, just like you can say the same thing differently 
with words. But people who understand the language can follow and see it 
says the same thing.

> Even the people on math pages, wiki
> Physicsstack, etc. All seem to find it difficult. Like yourself.

It's not complicated. Don't project your own confusion on others.

> But from what I can glean from the BS accounting tricks available online
> ...Its called the relativistic correction.

Sorry, but no. If you can't follow the math, that's your problem.

> Is that in your books. Or are you still on the first installment of Harry potter?
> U=2m/r according to some pages. Others dont mention it. Presumably
> Its just just notated as 2m /r in those cases. Dont ask me why. Just another
> jackoff moron mathematician trying to fake the results and keep his highly
> paid but underdeserved position in the physics department.

Sorry, but your not being able to follow math does not imply that 
someone is trying to fend you off to protect their job. It's nobody's 
fault that you can't follow math but yours.

> U is the reciprocal radius variable. In newton its incorporated into
> the calculation as two radius variables. One at apogee one at perigee.
> The relativistic correction is tagged onto the end of the classical
> newtonian solution. Itt appears to be calculated using a third value
> of u from this...u3 = 1(u1+u2) The u 1&2 being the two seperate
> reciprocal radius variables from apogee and perigee which essentially
> define the newtonian solution as far as I cantell.
> So far Ive seen two contradictory descriptions of the so called
> "relativistic correction". One is...
> -GML^2/(mc^2r^2)
> and the other...
> -3GM/c^2.U3
>
> Maybe U3 is plugged into r in the first?  Who knows. Its all bs anyways.
>  From what I can see and what various sources seem to stress is that
> the relativistic correction takes u3 and by factoring it in with the term
> -3GM/c^2 ....makes it a very small amount thats added onto the newtonian
> solution to give the final observed value. Essentially this correction is the
>   so called anomalous preccession.
> But to me all thats happened is the observed 2m/ r for apogee and perigee
>   in newton is added together and with a bit of fiddling, divide GM by c^2
> to make it really small,...hmm still doest fit the observed anomaly albert.
> "Oh hold it" says his cleaner. "Mr Einstein, why dont you multiply it by 3?
> That should make it the right amount almost. And because its based
> on observed r values and constants it should give a correct solution
> for all other orbitals ".
> There you have it Odd. The relativistic derivation for the preccession of
> backcalculated from the observed values! As worked out by his cleaner.
> Remarkeable.
> And then albert can pretend its proof that all that nonsense about
> spacetime he was droning on about, was what explained it all.
>
>
>>> If light travelling from the less dense ISM travels through the more
>>> dense medium around the star. It will travel slower and produce
>>> a time delay. Its >>called the shapiro effect. You dont need GR.
>
>> No, the Shapiro effect is a time delay that occurs even when the light does
>> NOT pass through the dense medium around the star. Two different effects, >similar symptom.
>
> Pull the other one. Where is the observation of light travelling to the
> observor that passes very close to a star or planet that even at that
> close proximity to said body is surrounded by a perfect vacuum?

The Shapiro delay, and the bending of light, is observed for light that 
is NOT passing very close to a star or planet.

> No such observation has been made. It is a * made up * observation
> relativists pretend to have made. Even Pluto, thought to be lifeless,
> has just been discovered to have an atmosphere.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-14 14:02 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-14 23:41 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 11:24 +0100
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 07:25 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 08:47 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:45 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 15:59 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-17 05:19 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:51 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 10:05 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-15 12:57 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-15 15:51 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-17 04:46 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-17 09:48 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 02:47 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 08:29 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-21 05:35 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 15:44 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 23:15 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-23 14:35 -0800
                Re: Do you _understand_ General Relativity better ? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-24 13:46 -0800
                Re: Do you _understand_ General Relativity better ? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-24 13:53 -0800
                Re: Prefering the mystical/magical. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-28 14:34 -0800
                Re: "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 14:17 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 23:10 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 22:49 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 06:35 -0800
                Re: Where does massEnergy end and spaceTime begin ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:57 -0500
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:14 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:17 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:24 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:46 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-25 20:55 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-27 08:51 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 10:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-27 13:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-28 01:28 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Hoofington P. McSnort" <iinvalid@eksample.com> - 2015-11-29 12:22 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-29 22:44 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 11:00 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-25 18:19 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-13 13:28 -0800
            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-18 22:14 -0800
              Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:40 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 22:57 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:51 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-27 14:48 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-30 02:45 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-12-03 20:58 -0800
                "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-12-03 21:27 -0800
                "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-04 01:54 -0800
                Re: What do you think of Darwin, JayMoseley ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 13:47 -0500
                What do you think of Darwin, JayMoseley ? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-05 05:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-04 01:46 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 12:54 +0100
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-05 05:28 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 07:36 -0600
                e.g bingODoG noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 17:14 -0800
              Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 09:41 -0800
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 10:29 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-17 10:01 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 13:10 -0600
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:35 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:15 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-13 12:28 -0800

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