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Re: Advantage, Linux

From "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Advantage, Linux
Date 2015-11-18 08:01 -0500
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"Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote in message 
news:n2hs4r$36o$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org...
> On 18/11/2015 12:32, Ezekiel wrote:
>> "Desk Rabbit" <me@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:n2hp6m$o25$1@deskrabbit.motzarella.org...
>>> On 18/11/2015 11:09, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Run aptitude, refresh the package status, see over 1 Gb of updates 
>>>> (this
>>>> is
>>>> Debian unstable), start the timer....
>>>>
>>>> .... 11 minutes later, update done.
>>>>
>>>> I shudder to think how long this update would take on
>>>> <laughing> Windows.
>>>>
>>
>> "giggle" - What is it with weirdos like Ahlstrom that they have to 
>> <laugh>
>> and <giggle> all the time?
>>
>>    I got a big laugh out of the Surface add where they boast about the 
>> USB
>>    port, showing someone carrying one with a big blue *dongle* <laughing>
>>    hanging off of it, like it was exposing itself.
>>
>> There's nothing funnier that a "big blue *dongle* <laughing>" that's
>> "exposing itself" in a television commercial for a laptop computer.
>>
>> It doesn't get any weirder than this.
>>
>>
>>> Why does it even matter, who sits looking at their machine doing 
>>> updates?
>>> I bet you love sitting and watching paint dry as well.
>>
>> There's a difference in distributing an update that has to work on many
>> 100's of millions of consumer machines and a Debian update to a small 
>> number
>> of geeks. If one particular update causes problems/breaks something then
>> it's easy to undo and uninstall one specific update. With aptitude, not
>> exactly easy to do.
>>
>> "Works for me" doesn't cut it. What happens to work on one machine 
>> doesn't
>> mean it'll work on many 100's of millions of machines without a need to 
>> undo
>> an update.
>>
>> The time an update takes isn't all that interesting. This multi-tasking
>> thing actually works making it a moot point. I do think that Windows 
>> updates
>> should be faster but it's pretty far down my wish-list.
>>
>
> We roll out Windows updates overnight to our customers. Even if they 
> switch off their machines our management system can send a WOL, install 
> the updates and then shut down the machine. Zero disruption to the working 
> day, maximum availability and productivity.

That's a really good way of doing it. From my laptop I can manually send a 
WOL to the desktop in my office and then RDP in to kick-off an update. I 
don't think that update-time is keeping many IT managers up at night.

-- 
"Fact is in order to "steal" something not only do you gain access to it 
illegally, you deprive the original owner of their ownership"

The nonsense you get when "advocates" make up their own "facts."
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Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 06:09 -0500
  Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:01 +0000
    Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 07:32 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 12:51 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 08:01 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-18 14:06 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:07 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 10:34 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 10:42 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:02 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:08 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 09:19 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-19 17:55 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:39 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:20 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-19 12:38 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 14:43 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:06 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:46 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 16:52 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:01 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 17:06 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 01:15 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 18:57 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:13 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 06:48 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 14:05 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 13:53 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-19 16:37 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 08:54 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 13:18 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-19 12:06 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 09:22 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:52 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 08:41 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:19 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:09 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 17:14 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 09:33 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:46 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:22 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 08:42 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-20 17:24 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-11-20 10:34 -0700
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 11:31 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-11-23 09:30 +0000
          My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-18 14:19 -0800
            Re: My home folder is "C:\\__", but I don't let Windows know that. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:10 -0500
              99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 05:46 -0800
                Re: 99.99% of the time, mental health can't be bought. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 08:54 -0500
                Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 06:38 -0800
                Re: Some are "poor" because they do _not_ stress over money. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:04 -0500
                I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 07:35 -0800
                Re: I have a vasectomy, I'm stress free. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-22 10:44 -0500
                How many wives/kids do you have ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-11-22 15:29 -0800
                Re: How many wives/kids do you have ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 03:15 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:43 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:48 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:04 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:10 -0500
          Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 18:22 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:23 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 14:04 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-22 17:04 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:18 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:47 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 13:56 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 19:13 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 15:56 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 21:14 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 19:03 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 00:59 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:51 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 19:32 +0000
              Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:20 -0500
              Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 17:26 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-18 23:50 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 14:06 -0600
              Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-18 16:04 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:02 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:12 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:17 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:38 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.edu> - 2015-11-19 09:50 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 10:26 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 18:10 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:41 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-19 15:15 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-11-19 22:54 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:51 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-11-18 20:52 -0500
  Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:38 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 14:44 +0000
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 09:54 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:16 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:23 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 13:07 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 13:22 -0500
    Re: Advantage, Linux Marti van Lin <ml2mst@dontevenbother.invalid> - 2015-11-19 18:54 +0100
      Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-19 15:47 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 18:01 -0500
  Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-18 15:15 +0000
    Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:27 +0100
      Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 10:41 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:45 +0100
          Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:51 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-18 15:48 -0500
            Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-18 23:01 +0100
              Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:18 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-19 15:37 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-19 08:47 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 07:40 -0800
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 22:59 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 00:43 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 10:05 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-11-20 11:50 +0100
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:09 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-20 09:30 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-20 13:58 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-11-20 15:41 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:49 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:31 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-11-21 22:17 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-22 09:07 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:09 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 13:32 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-20 07:43 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:58 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 08:57 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2015-11-20 08:15 -0600
                Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-20 12:51 -0500
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-20 14:01 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 02:48 +0000
                Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-21 09:30 +0000
            Re: Advantage, Linux JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-11-18 19:11 -0600
            Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 14:19 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:50 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-18 11:25 -0500
        Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:21 +0000
          Re: Advantage, Linux Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-11-19 08:18 -0500
      Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:49 +0000
        Re: Advantage, Linux Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-18 16:51 +0100
          Re: Advantage, Linux Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 15:53 +0000
      Re: Advantage, Linux Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2015-11-19 08:19 +0000
  Re: Advantage, Linux DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-11-18 12:49 -0500

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