Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor?

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor?
Date	2015-11-13 13:40 -0600
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On 11/13/2015 12:14 PM, jay moseley wrote:
> Odd bodkin wrote...
>> No, that's incorrect. Newton's equations of gravity and Einstein's equations of
>> gravity give slightly different predictions, but the difference between the predictions
>> are in fact discernible in measurement, and the measurements have been done and agree
>> with Einstein's equations and disagree with Newton's equations.
>
> Thats a pretty general sweeping statement. Name one example specifically.
>
> If its mercury preccession, GR only got it right because Einstein took newtons
> equation, and added in the observed preccession.

That is a blatantly false claim. Read the history here. The book by Pais 
is a pretty good starting point, with tons of references.

But that's not the only place where there are differences. Gravitational 
bending of light is another. Shapiro delay is another.

> He couldnt help but get it right.   But he couldnt have made GR work
> if he didnt have the already observed preccession to fiddle his calculations with.
> Ive seen it described as a " correction term" added by albert. Tagged onto
> the newtonian/ keplerian solution.

Nope. If you've seen it, then cite where you saw it. If you don't 
remember where you saw it, then you likely don't remember clearly what 
you read either.

> Its all covered up with field and differential equations to make it look like
> GR actually does something novel other then just fake the results with a
> mathematical sleight of hand.

It's not sleight of hand. It's all followable. Magic is only magical to 
people who can't follow the magician's hands. Do you have difficulty 
following the math?

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 05:52 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 06:08 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 06:19 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 06:53 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 08:41 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:35 -0800
  general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 09:05 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 09:23 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 10:15 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 11:50 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:54 -0600
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 10:14 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 12:24 -0600
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 13:42 -0600
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:55 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:43 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:09 -0800
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 10:12 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-12 10:16 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:50 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 05:45 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 09:30 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 11:35 -0600
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 14:03 -0500
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    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 13:38 -0500
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    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 19:47 -0500
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-14 13:40 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-15 12:11 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2015-11-12 18:03 -0500
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 06:37 -0800
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  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 06:19 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 10:40 -0600
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 08:44 -0800
        Re: Curved spaceTIME -- not: "curvature of space = metaphor?". "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 13:30 -0800
      Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-13 10:14 -0800
        Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 13:40 -0600
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 13:33 -0800
            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 16:58 -0600
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 13:34 -0800
            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-13 16:59 -0600
              Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-13 17:57 -0800
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            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-11-16 10:47 -0600
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                Re: Do you _understand_ General Relativity better ? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-24 13:53 -0800
                Re: Prefering the mystical/magical. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-11-28 14:34 -0800
                Re: "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-11-30 14:17 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 23:10 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 22:49 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 06:35 -0800
                Re: Where does massEnergy end and spaceTime begin ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:57 -0500
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:14 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:17 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 13:24 -0600
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:46 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-25 20:55 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-27 08:51 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 10:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-27 13:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-28 01:28 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Hoofington P. McSnort" <iinvalid@eksample.com> - 2015-11-29 12:22 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-29 22:44 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 11:00 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-25 18:19 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-13 13:28 -0800
            Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-18 22:14 -0800
              Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-19 00:40 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-22 22:57 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:51 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-27 14:48 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-30 02:45 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-12-03 20:58 -0800
                "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-12-03 21:27 -0800
                "Energy that can do work" (eXergy) unites GR and QM, no ? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-04 01:54 -0800
                Re: What do you think of Darwin, JayMoseley ? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 13:47 -0500
                What do you think of Darwin, JayMoseley ? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-05 05:06 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-04 01:46 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 12:54 +0100
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2015-12-05 05:28 -0800
                Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-12-04 07:36 -0600
                e.g bingODoG noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-12-09 17:14 -0800
              Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 09:41 -0800
          Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2015-11-27 10:29 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Steven Carlip <carlip@physics.ucdavis.edu> - 2015-11-17 10:01 -0800
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 13:10 -0600
    Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:35 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:15 -0800
  Re: general relativity curvature of space = metaphor? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-12-13 12:28 -0800

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