Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage

From	glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage
Date	2015-10-23 11:36 +0000
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Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday October 22 2015 19:09, in comp.lang.c, "James Kuyper"

(snip)

>> Since no "end of line" character is reserved, how is "end of line"
>> conventionally indicated on OS/360? I know of several different methods
>> that don't require such a character, I just want to know which one is
>> used by OS/360.

> How is "end of line" conventionally indicated on OS/360, you ask.
> Well, it isn't.

> OS/360 is a "record oriented" operating system. Records are fixed-length,
> typically 80 bytes for input and 133 bytes for (text) output. It does get
> complicated; programs usually specify to the OS what record-length they
> expect a file to have, and if the OS detects a mismatch between the file
> record-length and the program's record-length expectation, the OS takes
> actions to terminate the program.

Fixed length records are common, and the early Fortran compilers
only knew about them for formatted files, or RECFM=VBS for unformatted.

PL/I likes VB, variable length with four byte record and block
descriptors.  I believe that later Fortran compilers and also
C compilers use VB (variable length blocked records). 

VBS is special, I believe originally for Fortran unformatted.
It allows for records that are longer than blocks. It is not 
normally used for text files. 

The spooling systems at least by MVS (successor to OS/360 on S/370
systems) knows about both F (fixed) and V (variable) length
records, blocked or unblocked.

In addition, output (for printer) files can have A or M, so,
RECFM=FBA or FBM or VBA or VBM, where A have ASA carriage control
characters in column 1, and M have machine specific carriage
control characters in column 1.

I haven't tried it, but C text output files for VBA might convert
'\f' to records with '1' in column 1. 

PL/I STREAM output, which may have had some influence on C,
is stream oriented, such that you can read or write a line of a text
file from more than one I/O statement. That is different from 
Fortran, which only recently allows that. 

For PL/I, PUT SKIP; goes to the next line, so you can 

PUT SKIP LIST('This is one line.');

-- glen

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C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 13:29 -0700
  Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-16 13:47 -0700
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  Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-16 22:15 +0100
    Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 14:38 -0700
      Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-17 10:32 +0100
        Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 05:26 -0700
          Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-17 14:17 +0100
            Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 06:48 -0700
              Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-17 19:01 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:17 -0700
    Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-16 15:28 -0700
      Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-17 01:41 +0100
        Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 18:23 -0700
      Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 11:04 +0200
  Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:31 +1300
    Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 14:38 -0700
      Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:14 +1300
        Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 15:25 -0700
          Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:31 +1300
            Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 15:38 -0700
              Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 12:32 +1300
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 11:35 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-18 11:16 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 13:40 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-18 17:35 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-18 10:52 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 11:02 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-18 19:59 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 12:15 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-18 21:41 +0100
                Likeliehood of RDC/SeaAlive implementation (Was: C struct syntax allowance by usage) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-19 08:23 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-18 14:02 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-18 14:19 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-18 21:13 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 20:37 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-18 20:27 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 23:14 +0200
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-18 16:11 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 07:57 +1300
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-18 20:11 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 09:19 +1300
          Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 11:19 +0200
            Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-18 03:08 -0700
              Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 13:52 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-18 05:39 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-18 14:57 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:31 +1300
              Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-18 15:49 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-18 16:53 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-19 01:50 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-19 02:28 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-19 12:38 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-19 12:09 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-19 14:26 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-19 13:34 +0100
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-20 02:36 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-19 05:09 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-19 14:41 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-19 06:08 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-19 15:20 +0200
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-19 08:24 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-20 08:43 +1300
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-19 13:00 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-19 20:34 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-20 10:37 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 21:24 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-20 13:49 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-20 15:53 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-20 10:37 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-21 05:05 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-21 02:02 -0700
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-24 10:37 -0400
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 05:19 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-21 13:41 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 05:22 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-21 05:20 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-21 05:11 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 05:32 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-22 10:08 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-22 21:45 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-22 19:09 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-22 19:22 -0400
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-10-22 21:13 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-23 11:36 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-22 20:18 -0500
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-23 11:55 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-23 11:14 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-23 09:09 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-24 09:31 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-23 15:54 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-23 13:51 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-23 17:41 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 15:32 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-23 15:17 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-23 16:34 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-24 09:51 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-24 10:01 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-24 12:38 -0400
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-25 23:46 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-25 07:05 +0000
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-25 10:59 -0400
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-26 02:24 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-26 02:58 +0000
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                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-24 12:45 -0700
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-24 10:30 +1300
                Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-19 12:05 +0100
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      Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:33 +1300
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          Re: C struct syntax allowance by usage Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:58 +1300
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