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Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines

From Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines
Date 2015-10-22 14:12 -0500
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On 10/22/2015 10:56 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> On 21-Oct-15 16:56, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>> On 16-Oct-15 17:10, Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>> Those three hours are a magical threshold for rail travel, it is 
>>>> when the train overtakes the planes in popularity.
>>>
>>> The general rule of thumb is 4 hours, and some recent data
>>> indicates that it may actually be 5 hours.
>>
>> Given how far out most airports are it may take you and hour or so to
>> get there depending on where you live, plus either cab or limo fare
>> or parking and/or car rental at destination. Everyone suggests you
>> get to the airport two hours prior to flight time, although IME less
>> is OK.  It usually takes 1/2 hour to get checked luggage, if you have
>> any.
> 
> Right; what the customer cares about is end-to-end trip time, not just
> the travel time.  And for the former, the rule of thumb is that rail
> wins for trips under 4-5 hours.
> 
>> You're already close to five hours (trip to origin and from
>> destination), and you haven't even taken off yet.
> 
> How did you get 5 hours?
> 
> My typical trip:
> 
> 30 mins to drive to airport
> 15 mins to park
> 45 mins check-in/security/boarding
> -- actual flight time
> 15 mins to get rental car
> 15 mins to drive to hotel
> 
> So, that's 2 hours on top of the flight time.  For less experienced
> travelers or those with kids, it's probably more like 3 hours.
> 
> For a decent rail system, I'd expect _at least_ an hour less, which
> means the actual travel time could be up to an hour longer.
> 
>> Yes, for trips of 300 mi or so driving is both faster and a lot
>> cheaper than air travel.
> 
> In many cases, yes, especially once you factor in the benefit of having
> your own car at the destination rather than a rental, and especially if
> there are multiple people traveling.  Trains share the former, but the
> much lower marginal cost per passenger means they can more easily offer
> discounted family/group fares to mitigate the latter.
> 
> OTOH, driving is stressful, and other factors may make putting so many
> miles on your own car undesirable--and it assumes you own a car in the
> first place.  If you use a rental, most benefits of driving evaporate.
> 
Maybe, maybe not. Last year I took a 3000 mile (RT) trip by car. I set
up a spreadsheet and roughly calculated gas, tires, maintenance, etc.,
figured that with my 10-year-old car the expense would be around $400
if nothing broke. Rentals have prices that keep changing, seems like
typically the price will keep dropping until a week or two before
D-day, and then go back up. But there's no penalty for cancelling. So
if you book, say, a month early, and then keep checking rental prices
and cancelling/rebooking as the price comes down (comparing prices at
the various second-tier rental companies like Dollar, Alamo, Thrifty,
etc.), you can get a good deal. It ended up costing me about $250 for
a week and a half, the rental car got 10mpg better than my own car,
and if it died en route there's free roadside service (and
replacement, if necessary).

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  Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "hqhy" <hqhy@nospam.com> - 2015-08-25 04:47 +1000
    Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-24 15:01 -0500
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      Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-08-25 13:26 -0500
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  Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-24 21:42 +0200
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-21 17:56 -0400
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-23 22:18 +0200
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-26 15:54 -0500
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-28 07:07 +1100
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-23 21:36 +0000
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-24 16:01 +1100
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-23 08:19 +1100
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-23 05:57 -0400
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-22 14:12 -0500
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-23 14:27 -0500
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-23 16:16 -0500
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-23 20:05 -0700
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-25 00:53 -0500
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-25 17:49 +1100
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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-23 19:55 -0700
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-24 07:16 -0400
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-24 18:11 +0000
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-24 20:18 -0700
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-24 23:55 -0500
                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-22 18:01 +0000

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