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Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines

From	"78lp" <78lp@nospam.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers
Subject	Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines
Date	2015-10-23 08:19 +1100
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"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
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> In article <ac349caf-877a-43e5-842d-5db024a03ee9@googlegroups.com>,
> <hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com> wrote:
>>On Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 11:56:34 AM UTC-4, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>>> My typical trip:
>>>
>>> 30 mins to drive to airport
>>> 15 mins to park
>>> 45 mins check-in/security/boarding
>>> -- actual flight time

Doesn’t take me anything like that. 5 mins
drive to the airport, couple of minutes to
park in the free carpark, 5 minutes checkin/
security/boarding.

>>> 15 mins to get rental car
>>> 15 mins to drive to hotel

I normally get a taxi or use uber etc now.

>>> So, that's 2 hours on top of the flight time.  For less experienced
>>> travelers or those with kids, it's probably more like 3 hours.
>>> For a decent rail system, I'd expect _at least_ an hour less, which
>>> means the actual travel time could be up to an hour longer.
>>
>>Often, the time factor is dependent on the distance from one's home to the 
>>transport
>>terminal, the congestion of the terminal, and the situation at the arrival 
>>point.
>>
>>Usually, trains win out with a much shorter check-in time since there is 
>>(at
>>present) no security.  People can and often do show up only a few minutes 
>>before
>>train department time if they're already ticketed.  Also, usually train 
>>passengers
>>can bring their luggage with them, eliminating a baggage delay at pick up. 
>>At some
>>points, wise passengers will allow at least a full hour before departure 
>>time as a
>>cushion against TSA or ticketing delays, which seem to make the news 
>>often.
>
> We do have better service at both the airports and the train stations
> over here, evidently.

With ours there is very little difference at all between the airport and
train station, just the bag scan at the airport which only adds seconds.
Both are only minutes away from home, free parking outside both of
them. So the all day trip to the state capital by train compares with
only 90 mins by plane, so the only people who use the train are
those who don’t want to pay about double for the air fare. No real
difference at the state capital end if you use a taxi there. No car
rental as convenient at the train station.

Much more convenient by plane if you want to go further than
the state capital, to one of the other state capitals or out of the
country. Train involves changing to another to get to the airport
and almost now one moves between the state capitals anymore
by train now.

Buses similar.

> Still, I prefer to be at the airport 50 minutes before departure, at the
> very least. I plan for an hour if I go by train, so I can accommodate some
> minor delays.
>
> Getting to the closest, main train station is a drive of around 25 
> minutes,
> and I depart 40 minutes before the trains leave, so I have time to have 
> some
> road congestion, find parking, collect ticket if appropriate, and find the
> right platform.
>
> In the other direction it takes around 30-35 minutes to get off, go find 
> the
> car and drive home. (The parking lot is huge, it can take 10 minutes to 
> walk
> to the car if it is in the other end).
>
> Getting to the airport is an hours train ride, and then another 50-60 
> minutes;
> that is 2 hours on top of the train access time. The other way is around 
> 30-40
> minutes walk and luggage pickup, and then the 35+60 minutes by train. This
> gives access times to the airport of 2:30 to and 2:05 at the very best.
>
> I concede that this is a little above average, but not by very much.
> The cities I visit most have 1:40/1:25, 2:10/1:50, 1:35/1:20 for the
> other end (departing/arriving, from takeoff/touchdown to city centre).
>
> Ticketing is automatic, either web-based or smartphone-based for both
> air travel, trains, buses, trams and ferries. That took off at least 20
> minutes on the departure side.
>
>>Also, a train might have multiple stations serving a large metropolitan 
>>area, making
>>the train station closer to home or destination.  For example, Boston has 
>>Rt 128;
>>and Philadelphia has Paoli, Wilmington, and Trenton.
>>
>>On the other hand, some tiny airports have expanded to provide good 
>>scheduled jet
>>service yet remain small and easy to get to and use.  I've been told using 
>>Bob Hope
>>airport in Burbank is much faster than using LAX.
>
> For departure you still need to allow for around 40 minutes, and at least
> 15 when arriving with luggage.
>
> Changi in Singapore has impressive statistics, and is quite large.
>
>>Usually, rental car availability is better and airports than train 
>>stations.  At
>>smaller train stations, one may have to call and get picked up or take a 
>>taxi to a
>>different location.
>>
>>
>>In the old, old days businessmen found the train convenient as it 
>>desposited them at
>>downtown terminals where they had their clients.  But then, suburban 
>>office parks
>>sprung up, eliminating the downtown advantage, and some of them are fairly 
>>close to
>>the airport.  Most require a car to conveniently get around.
>>
>>For example, suburban Philadelphia has an industrial park in Fort 
>>Washington.
>>There's a commuter train station serving it.  But the park is spread out, 
>>and it's a
>>full mile walk, maybe more from the station, to the various businesses. 
>>Not very
>>practical.
>>
>>Also, in the old, old days, there were commuter and branch line trains to 
>>many
>>locations.  One could conveniently check baggae through to a suburban 
>>point and make
>>a connection at the main train station.  While there is still commuter 
>>service at
>>many stations, the branchline service is mostly gone, and commuter trains 
>>no longer
>>check baggage.
>
> We used to have two sets of train service. Local, commuter and remote, 
> long
> distance. The first set usually travelled ~100 km out from the large
> cities, stopped at every stop, and had onboard ticket sales. The second
> one ran for 300-700 km between the large cities, and had diner, and 
> reserved
> seats ordered in advance. Stopped at around 1/5th as many places as the
> local one. The local trains always had to yield for the remote ones.
>
> No more. Now everything is run commuter-style, and only 3 lines still have
> the diner. And ticketing is all electronic.
>
>>As an aside, the Pennsylvania Railroad had a secondary major station in
>>Philadelphia, North Philadelphia (main station for key east-west trains). 
>>At one
>>time the surrounding area was a teeming industrial and residential area. 
>>Today,
>>unfortunately, the area is in very bad shape.  It's still an Amtrak 
>>station, but
>>only one or two trains a day stop here now.  Sadly, that is a challenge 
>>for many
>>train stations, they're in the dumpy part of town.
>
> We are 20 years beyond that development. 30 years ago the train ride
> into the large cities showed decrepit dwellings. They have all been
> refurbished and are brightly lit and painted. The main railway stations 
> have
> become hubs with large shopping facilities either in them or right
> next door, and large parking spaces next to them.

Ours haven't, essentially because the large shopping facilities are
well away from the main CBD and have been for decades now.

Not so true of the airports.

> We are actively encouraged to have commuter passes and use the
> rail system even if we have to drive to the stations. A commuter
> parking pass is NOK 50/month, around $8.

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                Re: optimum power supply for subway/light rail lines Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-25 00:53 -0500
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