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Re: New hard drive

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Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> writes:

> On 15/09/2015 12:19 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
>> Morten Reistad <first@last.name> wrote:
>>> In article <mt8roe$asb$1@dont-email.me>, philo  <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> On 09/15/2015 04:08 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:20:16 -0500
>>>>> philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
> . . .
>
>>>
>>> I tested Linux first on a re-assembled machine from previous top-of-the-line
>>> 386 servers, with _lots_ of memory and cache, and two _very_ fast ide
>>> disks, 110 and 120 mb. It was around two weeks after you didn't have
>>> to build the file system from minix anymore, where you could use a
>>> distro. My memory fails me of the name of this distro.
>>>
>>> I got the character inteface up within a day, and struggled to get
>>> the display beyond svga, going into driver hell. I got 768x1024(?), but
>>> the display could do a lot more. That took a few months to sort out.
>>>
>>>> Eventually I learned that in setting up the x-server...If I needed to
>>>> get /something/ going right away...VESA would usually work.
> . . .
>>
>>> This driver hell has plagued the relationship between the open source
>>> and alternative OS vendors and the hardware pushers for decades.
> . .
>>>
>>> New fancy hardware, requires magic software the hardware guys seem
>>> to think. So they guard the specs for the API interfaces, and the
>>> open source people have to reverse-engineer some proper drivers.
>>> The ones coming from the hardware vendors are uniformly shitty, at
>>> least in the firt 2 major versions. I have confirmation that this
>>> problem also plagues Microsoft, but they use their market muscle
>>> to force out specs and good drivers.
> . .
>
>>>
>>>> I never bothered to compile my own packages with one exception:
>>>
>>> I did the kernel build with -Os and explicit options to build for
>>> the processor in use. It made a difference in speed. The processor
>>> was an 80386 with so high clock speed and cache memory (ISTR 8m
>>> cache, 16m real memory; we took all the cache chips from 8 motherboards
>>> that were being recycled).
> . . .
>>>
>>> USB drivers seem to have been an exception from the rule above.
>>> Likewise, the fast ethernet (>= 1G) drivers seem to be seamlessly
>>> integrated into Linux.
>>>
>>
>> Display drivers are still a problem  My laptop has an ATI Radeon card and
>> driver support is still spotty.  What was especially annoying was that the
>> display worked fine for the install but I couldn't get it to work on the
>> installed system.  I finally had to give up on Redhat and switch to Ubuntu
>> to get it to work, and it took about six months!
>>
>
> Read this thread and remind me of the advantages of using open source
> distributions if your time is worth anything.

Most of the stuff in this thread was from quite a while back.
Not to say I haven't experienced issues.
The last one was support for a Canon printer.
I had an "unsupported" RPM from Canon, but it was 32 bit only.
Could not find the 64 bit anywhere.
Tried to build from source but couldn't find all the mods needed
for my model.
Ended up with the Turboprint pay-for version.
That worked the first time.

OTOH, I've spent many hours trying to get Windows installs going too.

-- 
Dan Espen

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New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-10 20:33 -0500
  Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-10 23:23 -0400
    Re: New hard drive Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-09-11 07:07 +0100
    Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 10:20 -0500
      Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-14 13:53 -0400
        Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 13:05 -0500
          Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-14 15:09 -0400
            Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 14:18 -0500
      Re: New hard drive Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-15 10:08 +0100
        Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 05:28 -0500
          Re: New hard drive Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-15 13:43 +0200
            Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-15 16:19 +0000
              Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 13:15 -0500
                Re: New hard drive Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-16 07:04 +0000
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-16 08:39 -0500
                Re: New hard drive Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-16 14:52 +0000
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-17 15:37 -0500
                Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-16 13:42 +0000
              Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-15 15:34 -0400
                Re: New hard drive Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-15 17:29 -0400
                Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 22:00 +0000
                Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 03:58 +0000
                Re: New hard drive "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-17 00:43 -0500
                Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 05:59 +0000
                Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 11:51 +0000
                Re: New hard drive hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-17 13:18 -0700
                Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-17 19:15 -0400
                Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-20 17:27 +1000
                Re: New hard drive hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-17 13:13 -0700
                Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-17 06:24 -0400
                Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 11:51 +0000
                Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 18:02 +0000
            Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 13:12 -0500
              Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 22:00 +0000
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-17 19:29 -0500
              Re: New hard drive "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-17 10:29 +0100
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-17 19:31 -0500
        Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-15 16:19 +0000
          Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-15 17:48 +0000
          Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 13:17 -0500
  Re: New hard drive "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-11 09:28 -0500
    Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-11 14:59 +0000
      Re: New hard drive Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-11 11:32 -0400
        Re: New hard drive Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-11 16:06 +0000
        Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-11 16:06 +0000
          Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:21 +1000
        Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:16 +1000
      Re: New hard drive "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-11 10:42 -0500
        Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-11 16:09 +0000
          Re: New hard drive Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-11 12:20 -0400
        Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:18 +1000
      Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:08 +1000
    Re: New hard drive "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:34 -0500
      Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 05:29 -0500
    Re: New hard drive terry+googleblog@tmk.com - 2015-09-11 16:05 -0700
  Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-11 11:55 -0400
    Re: New hard drive Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-11 14:42 -0300
      Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-11 16:10 -0400
        Re: New hard drive Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-11 15:07 -0700
          Re: New hard drive sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-12 15:34 -0400
            Re: New hard drive Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-12 12:56 -0700
              Re: New hard drive Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-12 13:02 -0700
    Re: New hard drive "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:39 -0500
      Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 10:25 -0500
    Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 10:22 -0500
      Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-14 13:49 -0400
        Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 13:07 -0500
  Re: New hard drive hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-14 11:10 -0700
    Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 14:45 -0500

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