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On 15/09/2015 12:19 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
> Morten Reistad <first@last.name> wrote:
>> In article <mt8roe$asb$1@dont-email.me>, philo  <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> On 09/15/2015 04:08 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:20:16 -0500
>>>> philo <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
. . .

>>
>> I tested Linux first on a re-assembled machine from previous top-of-the-line
>> 386 servers, with _lots_ of memory and cache, and two _very_ fast ide
>> disks, 110 and 120 mb. It was around two weeks after you didn't have
>> to build the file system from minix anymore, where you could use a
>> distro. My memory fails me of the name of this distro.
>>
>> I got the character inteface up within a day, and struggled to get
>> the display beyond svga, going into driver hell. I got 768x1024(?), but
>> the display could do a lot more. That took a few months to sort out.
>>
>>> Eventually I learned that in setting up the x-server...If I needed to
>>> get /something/ going right away...VESA would usually work.
. . .
>
>> This driver hell has plagued the relationship between the open source
>> and alternative OS vendors and the hardware pushers for decades.
. .
>>
>> New fancy hardware, requires magic software the hardware guys seem
>> to think. So they guard the specs for the API interfaces, and the
>> open source people have to reverse-engineer some proper drivers.
>> The ones coming from the hardware vendors are uniformly shitty, at
>> least in the firt 2 major versions. I have confirmation that this
>> problem also plagues Microsoft, but they use their market muscle
>> to force out specs and good drivers.
. .

>>
>>> I never bothered to compile my own packages with one exception:
>>
>> I did the kernel build with -Os and explicit options to build for
>> the processor in use. It made a difference in speed. The processor
>> was an 80386 with so high clock speed and cache memory (ISTR 8m
>> cache, 16m real memory; we took all the cache chips from 8 motherboards
>> that were being recycled).
. . .
>>
>> USB drivers seem to have been an exception from the rule above.
>> Likewise, the fast ethernet (>= 1G) drivers seem to be seamlessly
>> integrated into Linux.
>>
>
> Display drivers are still a problem  My laptop has an ATI Radeon card and
> driver support is still spotty.  What was especially annoying was that the
> display worked fine for the install but I couldn't get it to work on the
> installed system.  I finally had to give up on Redhat and switch to Ubuntu
> to get it to work, and it took about six months!
>

Read this thread and remind me of the advantages of using open source 
distributions if your time is worth anything.

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New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-10 20:33 -0500
  Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-10 23:23 -0400
    Re: New hard drive Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2015-09-11 07:07 +0100
    Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 10:20 -0500
      Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-14 13:53 -0400
        Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 13:05 -0500
          Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-14 15:09 -0400
            Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 14:18 -0500
      Re: New hard drive Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-09-15 10:08 +0100
        Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 05:28 -0500
          Re: New hard drive Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-15 13:43 +0200
            Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-15 16:19 +0000
              Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 13:15 -0500
                Re: New hard drive Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-16 07:04 +0000
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-16 08:39 -0500
                Re: New hard drive Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-16 14:52 +0000
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-17 15:37 -0500
                Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-16 13:42 +0000
              Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-15 15:34 -0400
                Re: New hard drive Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-15 17:29 -0400
                Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 22:00 +0000
                Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 03:58 +0000
                Re: New hard drive "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-17 00:43 -0500
                Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 05:59 +0000
                Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 11:51 +0000
                Re: New hard drive hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-17 13:18 -0700
                Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-17 19:15 -0400
                Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-20 17:27 +1000
                Re: New hard drive hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-17 13:13 -0700
                Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-17 06:24 -0400
                Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 11:51 +0000
                Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-17 18:02 +0000
            Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 13:12 -0500
              Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 22:00 +0000
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-17 19:29 -0500
              Re: New hard drive "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-17 10:29 +0100
                Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-17 19:31 -0500
        Re: New hard drive Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-15 16:19 +0000
          Re: New hard drive Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-15 17:48 +0000
          Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 13:17 -0500
  Re: New hard drive "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-11 09:28 -0500
    Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-11 14:59 +0000
      Re: New hard drive Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-11 11:32 -0400
        Re: New hard drive Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-09-11 16:06 +0000
        Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-11 16:06 +0000
          Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:21 +1000
        Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:16 +1000
      Re: New hard drive "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-11 10:42 -0500
        Re: New hard drive scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-11 16:09 +0000
          Re: New hard drive Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-11 12:20 -0400
        Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:18 +1000
      Re: New hard drive "Jim Thomas" <JT@nospam.com> - 2015-09-12 05:08 +1000
    Re: New hard drive "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:34 -0500
      Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-15 05:29 -0500
    Re: New hard drive terry+googleblog@tmk.com - 2015-09-11 16:05 -0700
  Re: New hard drive Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-09-11 11:55 -0400
    Re: New hard drive Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2015-09-11 14:42 -0300
      Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-11 16:10 -0400
        Re: New hard drive Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-11 15:07 -0700
          Re: New hard drive sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-12 15:34 -0400
            Re: New hard drive Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-12 12:56 -0700
              Re: New hard drive Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-12 13:02 -0700
    Re: New hard drive "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:39 -0500
      Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 10:25 -0500
    Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 10:22 -0500
      Re: New hard drive Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-14 13:49 -0400
        Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 13:07 -0500
  Re: New hard drive hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-14 11:10 -0700
    Re: New hard drive philo <philo@privacy.net> - 2015-09-14 14:45 -0500

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