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Re: Relativistic Radio

From Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Relativistic Radio
Date 2015-09-14 14:50 +0200
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On 09/14/2015 09:57 AM, jaymoseley@hotmail.com wrote:
> Poutnik wrote...
>>> But in waves when you shorten a wave to half its length you preserve its energy. > You DO NOT increase a waves energy when you blueshift it to half its length. > (You only increase the energy *per second*) > The observed conversion tables support this conclusion. If the photon > model were correct then the well accepted observation that one second > of 100 nm emr is double the energy of 1 second of 200 nm emr....is false!!
> 
>> Intensities are ignored here.
> 
> How so?
> The truth is that intensities are being ignored by the photon model. 

How so ? Intensity in W/steradian is equal
to number of photons per second and steradian, multiplied by the photon
energy.

If a source is a blackbody radiator with T=1000 K,
thanin moves toward thebdectector by v = 0.6c,
it is equivalent to observed static BBsource wit T=2000K.
Not only by the spectrum, but also by intensities.

BTW, there is no standalone photon model. There is
either classical relativistic electrodynamics, wave based,
either quantum SR aware electrodynamics, QED.

> 
> There is no mechanism in waves to get additional energy from momentum.
> There is no mechanism in any study of wave propogation to get additional
> energy from the vacuum medium during propogation. .....

they do not get energy from momentum, but from the energy of the source.
And the moving source provide more energy than stationary one.
And yes, the amount of this energy is generally different in each frame.

> .....    And thats why the
> tables show that a wavelength of a certain intensity will maintain its
> 'intensity', ie total energy when blueshifted. So that one wavelength 100 nm 
> of x energy will become one wavelength 50 nm of the same x energy I believe thats
> called conservation of energy. 

You ignore the source provides different amount of energy in each frame.

> Your photon model breaks this law by
> incorrectly assuming that light emitted gains energy from nowhere, somewhere
> between emission and detection. Something for nothing. 

It is not my model.
It is your wrong analysis that breaks the laws.
There is higher energy output, as there is higher energy input,
so energy is conserved in each frame.

> And this isnt observed. 

Of course this is not observed, as wrong predictions
based on wrong conclusions are seldom observed.

> Under the photon model one second of one wavelength emr could equal
> *any* amount of ev, not just one amount as observed.
> 
Again, wrong conclusion based on wrong analysis.
you again completely ignore the intensity and the total energy,
focusing just on wavelength and duration.

Just for the illustration, thermally emitting source with T=500 K,
moving 0.6c is for the detector equivalent to static source of T=1000 K.

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes a great man humble, but a small man arrogant.

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