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Re: Relativistic Radio

From Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Relativistic Radio
Date 2015-09-14 07:33 +0200
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Dne 13/09/2015 v 12:44 jaymoseley@hotmail.com napsal(a):
> Poutnik wrote.
>>>>  I dont think so. I specified that in one frame the absorbtion rate was double 
>>>> because the emr had been blueshifted to half its wavelength. But,.. because it 
>>>> was only visible for half the amount of time the total energy absorbed by the > moving detector is the same as when it wasnt moving relative to the >>>source.
> 
>> You omitted the fact the emission interval does not equal to absorption interval.
> 
>> So not only 1 photon contains more energy, but photon incoming rate is higher , with shorter interval, so total count of photons is the same, but total >photon energy is double.
> 
> In the photon model those 10 emitted photons when observed by the detector (as
> the source moves towards the detector) have their energy increased.
> Therefore, in the photon model the total energy detected will increase from
> total energy emitted if the source moves towards the detector. 
> I believe thats what you are saying.

No. Both emitted and absorbed energies increase.
> 
> But in waves when you shorten a wave to half its length you preserve its energy. 
> You DO NOT increase a waves energy when you blueshift it to half its length. 
> (You only increase the energy *per second*)
> The observed conversion tables support this conclusion. If the photon
> model were correct then the well accepted observation that one second
> of 100 nm emr is double the energy of 1 second of 200 nm emr....is false!!

Intensities are ignored here.

> Obviously the photon model is contradicted by observation and the nm to ev
> conversions which state NO energy is added when blueshifted.
> 
> Dont forget, in the gedanken  10 seconds of emitted radiation, when blueshifted
> to half its length...only lasts for 5 seconds.
> 
There is missing evaluation of intensity,
according to relativistic Doppler effect.

The Lorentz invariant is intensity divided by frequency^3

-- 
Poutnik ( the Czech word for a wanderer )

Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.

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Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-10 01:58 -0700
  Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 19:16 +0200
    Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 19:42 +0200
      Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-11 00:53 -0700
        Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-11 06:07 -0700
        Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 15:08 +0200
          Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 15:28 +0200
          Re: Relativistic Radio Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 06:31 -0700
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              Re: Relativistic Radio Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 07:59 -0700
          Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-11 07:16 -0700
            Re: Relativistic Radio Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:41 -0500
            Re: Relativistic Radio Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 09:49 -0500
              Re: Relativistic Radio Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-09-11 18:18 +0000
                Re: Relativistic Radio noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 11:24 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 11:20 +0200
              Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 06:21 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 02:04 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-13 00:07 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 09:22 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 09:59 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-13 03:44 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:33 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:49 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 01:07 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 10:40 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 03:40 -0700
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                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 04:55 -0700
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                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 12:18 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 08:29 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 02:41 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 12:11 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 06:06 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 15:40 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 06:06 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 15:59 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 09:39 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 18:47 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 10:10 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 19:57 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 11:14 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 20:23 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 20:31 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 12:21 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 13:30 -0500
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 00:57 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 14:50 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 12:57 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 08:37 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 03:06 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 13:10 +0200
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                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-15 06:43 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 16:11 +0200
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                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 08:44 +0200
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              Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 18:00 +0200
              Re: Relativistic Radio Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 11:22 -0500
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 12:29 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 01:16 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 23:09 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 08:35 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 08:44 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-12 23:50 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 09:14 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-13 05:24 -0700
                Re: Relativistic Radio Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:35 +0200
                Re: Relativistic Radio jaymoseley@hotmail.com - 2015-09-14 01:01 -0700
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                Re: Relativistic Radio Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:34 -0500
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