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Re: Apple Event

From Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de>
Newsgroups ger.ct
Subject Re: Apple Event
Date 2015-09-13 16:13 +0200
Organization Lao-Sinh Project
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On 09/13/2015 03:59 PM, Rick Szabo wrote:
> Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> Wrote in message:
>
>>>> Ganz oben ging es um den Vergleich mit passiven Pens, also solche ohne
>>>> Elektronik.
>
>>> Wo denn?
>
>> Nicht in dem Artikel auf den ich geantwortet habe.
>
> Ah ja. Es würde vermutlich eine Diskussion erheblich erleichtern,
>   wenn man etwas zu dem Thema schreibt, um das es geht...

Ich habe auf ein Detail in einen bestimmten Artikel geantwortet. Wüsste 
nicht, daß das neuerdings illegal ist.



>> Und was sie damals
>> ziemlich sicher meinten war der damals noch sehr übliche Stylus wie man
>> ihn vom PalmPilot usw. kennt. Den will wirklich keiner wenn er sich
>> vermeiden lässt.
>
> (...)
>
>> BTW: Der Stift ist nicht für die normale Bedienung gedacht sondern für
>> Apps die von deutlich genauerer Bedienung profitieren. Funktionieren tut
>> das iPad Pro auch ohne.
>
> Ich habe mein HTC damals auch ohne Stift bedient. Außer wenn es
>   eine genauere Bedienung erforderte.
>
> Erst bringen wir ein Gerät, das keinen Stift braucht, weil niemand
>   einen Stift will. Schließlich soll die Bedienung so revolutionär
>   einfach werden, dass niemand mehr einen Stift braucht.
>
> Und dann bringen wir ein Gerät mit Stift, weil man für die
>   genauere Bedienung einen Stift will.

Du unterschlägst, daß der Stift, den keiner wollte der passive Stylus 
ist wie er 2007 für die Bedienung von Touchscreens weit verbreitet war.

Das was Apple jetzt gebracht hat hat mit einem passiven Stylus nur noch 
die Form gemeinsam.

Deiner Meinung nach darf man also, wenn man einen passiven Stylus als 
'will keiner' bezeichnet hat keinen deutlich aufwendigeren aktiven Stift 
mehr rausbringen der gegenüber dem passiven Stylus einige Vorteile hat?



> (Ich würde fast darauf wetten, dass es bei Apple auch heute noch
>   keinen Stift geben würde, wenn Jobs noch am Ruder wäre.)

Möglich... Wird aber ein Gedankenexperiment bleiben.

  Gerrit

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Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-10 16:53 +0200
  Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-10 17:10 +0200
    Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-10 17:33 +0200
      Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-10 17:38 +0200
        Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-10 17:54 +0200
          Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-10 18:21 +0200
            Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-10 18:26 +0200
              Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-10 18:43 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-10 10:16 -0700
                Re: Apple Event "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2015-09-11 06:31 +0000
              Re: Apple Event Ingo Paschke <ipaschke@lpclabs.de> - 2015-09-10 19:27 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-10 20:17 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Ingo Paschke <ipaschke@lpclabs.de> - 2015-09-10 20:57 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-11 00:57 +0200
              Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-11 05:53 +0200
    Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-10 21:28 +0200
      Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-10 22:01 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-10 22:14 +0200
        Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-10 22:16 +0200
          Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-10 23:46 +0200
            Re: Apple Event Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-11 05:14 +0000
              Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-11 08:17 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-11 08:51 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-11 19:00 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-11 19:17 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-11 22:41 +0200
            Re: Apple Event "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2015-09-11 06:44 +0000
          Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-11 05:48 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-11 00:59 +0200
          Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-11 07:35 +0200
            Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-11 07:39 +0200
            Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-11 12:03 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-11 05:47 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-11 06:25 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Ingo Paschke <ipaschke@lpclabs.de> - 2015-09-11 09:03 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-11 14:09 +0200
          Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-12 00:08 +0200
            Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-12 01:42 +0200
              Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-12 03:14 +0200
              Re: Apple Event Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2015-09-12 03:49 +0000
                Re: Apple Event rhartmann@trash-mail.com (Reiner Hartmann) - 2015-09-12 09:36 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Holger Marzen <holger@marzen.de> - 2015-09-12 07:41 +0000
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-12 10:03 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-13 01:44 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-12 10:06 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-13 01:46 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-12 22:01 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Bernd Ullrich <ullrich_bernd@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 22:09 +0200
        Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-14 13:27 +0200
          Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 13:59 +0200
          Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-14 15:15 +0200
            Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 16:36 +0200
    Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-11 05:43 +0200
  Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-10 23:49 +0200
    Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-11 05:51 +0200
    Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-11 07:44 +0200
      Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-11 07:47 +0200
      Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-11 07:59 +0200
      Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-11 12:06 +0200
    Re: Apple Event "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2015-09-11 06:49 +0000
      Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 00:19 +0200
        Re: Apple Event "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2015-09-13 10:06 +0000
          Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-13 12:50 +0200
          Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-14 13:38 +0200
            Re: Apple Event Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2015-09-14 14:00 +0200
              Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-15 16:36 +0200
          Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 01:57 +0200
            Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-15 06:15 +0200
      Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-14 13:36 +0200
        Re: Apple Event "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2015-09-14 14:06 +0000
  Re: Apple Event "Juergen P. Meier" <nospam-1984@jors.net> - 2015-09-11 06:21 +0000
  Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-11 21:23 +0200
    Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-12 19:02 +0200
      Re: Apple Event Ingo Paschke <ipaschke@lpclabs.de> - 2015-09-12 21:09 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-12 21:28 +0200
          Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-12 21:54 +0200
            Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-12 22:02 +0200
              Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-13 07:10 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 11:30 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 12:35 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 12:48 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 14:14 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 14:38 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 15:44 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-13 15:59 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 16:13 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-13 17:22 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-13 17:37 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-13 17:49 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-13 18:14 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 20:19 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-14 13:44 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 18:06 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-13 18:16 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-13 16:28 +0000
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 20:32 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 20:39 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 21:43 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-14 18:59 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 00:30 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 22:07 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-14 19:00 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 23:48 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 22:03 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 22:19 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 22:28 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 23:29 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 00:04 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 00:46 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 01:49 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 02:37 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Frank Streitz <fskeinspam@web.de> - 2015-09-14 10:02 +0000
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-14 12:08 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Frank Streitz <fskeinspam@web.de> - 2015-09-14 10:37 +0000
                Re: Apple Event Ingo Paschke <ipaschke@lpclabs.de> - 2015-09-14 12:59 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 12:57 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 13:07 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 02:36 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 02:56 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Frank Streitz <fskeinspam@web.de> - 2015-09-15 05:59 +0000
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-15 08:19 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 12:17 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 12:27 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 13:46 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 17:29 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 17:35 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Frank Streitz <fskeinspam@web.de> - 2015-09-15 05:56 +0000
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-15 07:58 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-14 19:06 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 23:51 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-15 18:14 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-13 22:42 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 23:06 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-14 13:45 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 02:36 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 03:00 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-15 06:18 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-15 16:30 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 23:46 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-16 08:40 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-16 00:05 -0700
                Re: Apple Event "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2015-09-16 10:28 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-16 11:01 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2015-09-16 11:57 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-16 11:45 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-18 06:45 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 12:33 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ulrich F. Heidenreich" <from!not-for-mail@tremornet.de> - 2015-09-15 13:13 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 13:53 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 17:53 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-15 20:58 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-15 22:23 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-16 00:16 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Hanno Foest <hurga-news2@tigress.com> - 2015-09-16 00:46 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-15 21:32 -0700
                Re: Apple Event Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-16 04:44 +0000
                Re: Apple Event Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2015-09-16 05:14 +0000
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-16 03:43 -0700
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-16 23:04 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-16 23:51 -0700
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-17 12:11 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-17 03:15 -0700
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-17 17:41 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sascha Grage <SGrage@gmx.net> - 2015-09-16 12:28 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2015-09-16 11:02 +0000
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-16 14:07 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-16 17:29 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-16 23:25 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-15 16:30 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 17:43 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-13 19:29 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-13 19:40 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 20:20 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-13 21:26 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-13 23:32 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-14 06:27 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 13:12 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-14 18:00 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-15 06:44 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-15 17:50 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 02:36 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-14 17:58 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-15 06:20 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-15 07:02 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-15 18:02 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-18 02:52 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-18 14:37 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 09:33 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Fidel-Sebastian Hunrichse-Lara <Fidel-Sebastian_Hunrichse-Lara@b.maus.de> - 2015-09-14 18:04 +0200
                Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-14 13:42 +0200
                Re: Apple Event spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-09-13 16:30 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-13 16:37 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 16:50 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Rick Szabo  <usenet13@rickszabo.de> - 2015-09-13 19:32 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 20:14 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 20:27 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-13 20:39 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Frank Streitz <fskeinspam@web.de> - 2015-09-14 10:18 +0000
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 05:01 -0700
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-14 15:16 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 06:21 -0700
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-14 15:39 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 06:48 -0700
                Re: Apple Event "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2015-09-14 16:01 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 16:26 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Wolfgang Kynast <wky@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 18:15 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 13:06 -0700
                Re: Apple Event Sepp Neuper <Sepp_Neuper@web.de> - 2015-09-15 02:36 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 16:37 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-14 19:10 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Lothar Frings <Lothar.Frings@gmx.de> - 2015-09-14 13:10 -0700
                Re: Apple Event Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-14 23:52 +0200
              Re: Apple Event Ingo Paschke <ipaschke@lpclabs.de> - 2015-09-13 09:06 +0200
                Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-13 12:49 +0200
      Re: Apple Event Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2015-09-13 00:24 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Mike Grantz <beatclubs@stoiseland.de> - 2015-09-13 01:49 +0200
        Re: Apple Event Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2015-09-13 11:23 +0200
      Re: Apple Event "Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras" <ralph@schmid.xxx> - 2015-09-14 13:39 +0200

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