Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts

From	Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts
Date	2015-09-03 02:07 +0200
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rickman wrote:
> I'm not going to argue such a silly topic.  I don't care how you
> implement a multiplexor, it is still a mux.

You are just clueless, and at the same time you want to be right.  Have you 
graduated from kindergarden yet?

Your description of what a RAM is was simply very naive and inaccurate.  
Neither is an SRAM cell a register, nor is a bitline a multiplexer, because 
functionally, it does only part of the job, and both multiplexing and 
demultiplexing (for write, you need a demultiplexer).  The other parts of 
the job are done by the word line and the sense amplifiers+precharge 
drivers.  And if you want to have the edge-triggered RAM block (as you get 
in the FPGA case), you need registers to store the inputs.  That's all 
"hidden" from your naive view in the block RAM macro.

As FPGA-only developer, you probably think you don't need to know what it 
is.

> Ok, so you acknowledge that you can do all the operations for an ADD out
> of RAM at the same time and that you can have more than 2 port RAM in an
> FPGA?

You need to use two RAM blocks to get more than 2 ports...  Using two RAM 
blocks for what can be done with one is a waste of resources.  Having to 
jump through the hoops of connecting two RAM blocks just to get one port 
more is a waste of programming time.

> You may think it a stupid idea, but "stupid is as stupid does".
> Different requirements for different projects.

What's you requirement that drives you to use two block RAMs where one would 
be sufficient?  You always can do things with more resources, slower.  
Requirements usually press you towards doing things with less resources, 
faster.  Unless you don't have any requirements, then you can waste 
resources as much as you like.

IMHO, wasting resources by itself is stupid.

The code doesn't become more complicated with a TOS in registers, either.  
It's not a premature optimization, it's something that goes without 
thinking.  We have cached the top of stack in many software Forth 
implementations for ages, and it not only makes the Forth faster, but the 
code easier to write.

It's probably like using a big block 400 cubic inch V8 motor to go 65mhp.  
You can do that with the 600cm³ (less than 40 cubic inches) two-cylinder 
motor of a 2CV.

As a Forth programmer, I hate bloat just for the sake of bloat.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
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Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:53 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-26 08:51 +0000
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:50 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-26 07:23 -1000
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 04:33 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:46 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-26 11:17 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-26 12:50 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:28 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-27 23:44 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 18:28 -0700
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-26 11:41 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2015-08-26 17:12 +0100
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:48 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:39 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts "Ala'a Alawi" <amalawi@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 08:37 -0700
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts pbjtech@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 19:01 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 22:45 -0400
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-08-31 11:09 +0800
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 20:06 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 23:20 -0400
        Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 14:14 -0700
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:02 -0400
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bob <bob@none.com> - 2015-08-31 20:49 -0400
        Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 01:39 -0700
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-01 17:58 +0000
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bob <bob@none.com> - 2015-09-01 18:48 -0400
            Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-01 16:32 -0700
            Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 01:38 +0200
              Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 22:09 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 14:12 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 12:40 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:40 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:57 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 14:55 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:11 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:42 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 22:34 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 12:59 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:54 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 19:54 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 21:13 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-09-04 09:48 +0100
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 08:49 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-04 11:15 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:32 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:36 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 17:46 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:47 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 12:52 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 23:35 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:09 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-03 02:07 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:49 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-03 14:30 +0200
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 14:23 -0700

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