Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts
Date	2015-08-26 08:51 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID	<2015Aug26.105102@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink)
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rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>I think there was a discussion in one of the FPGA groups where a stack 
>CPU design was criticized for not including a semaphore instruction 
>which allowed inter-process communications to be implemented without 
>tons of work.  The "forth" solution would be to just not allow 
>interrupts and to not have multiprocessing!

The classical Forth solution is to have cooperative round-robin
multi-tasking, and there you know where the task switches can happen
(at PAUSE and I/O words), and everything that does not contain such
words is executed atomically (apart from interrupts); semaphores, if
necessary, can be built out of simpler words.  Interrupts were
supported, but typically just acticated a task that did the actual
work when the round-robin scheduler came to it.

If course, this simplicity is no longer possible with we want multiple
cores to work.  You can look at Chuck Moore's recent work to see his
solution for the resulting problems: No shared memory, communication
and synchronization through links with almost no buffering.  Not sure
if that's enough in general, though.  Anyway, other processors don't
have semaphore instructions, either, they have stuff from which
semaphores and other synchronization primitives can be built.

- anton
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Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:53 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-26 08:51 +0000
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:50 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-26 07:23 -1000
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 04:33 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:46 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-26 11:17 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-26 12:50 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:28 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-27 23:44 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 18:28 -0700
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-26 11:41 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2015-08-26 17:12 +0100
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:48 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:39 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts "Ala'a Alawi" <amalawi@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 08:37 -0700
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts pbjtech@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 19:01 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 22:45 -0400
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-08-31 11:09 +0800
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 20:06 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 23:20 -0400
        Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 14:14 -0700
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:02 -0400
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bob <bob@none.com> - 2015-08-31 20:49 -0400
        Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 01:39 -0700
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-01 17:58 +0000
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bob <bob@none.com> - 2015-09-01 18:48 -0400
            Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-01 16:32 -0700
            Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 01:38 +0200
              Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 22:09 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 14:12 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 12:40 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:40 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:57 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 14:55 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:11 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:42 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 22:34 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 12:59 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:54 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 19:54 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 21:13 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-09-04 09:48 +0100
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 08:49 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-04 11:15 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:32 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:36 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 17:46 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:47 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 12:52 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 23:35 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:09 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-03 02:07 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:49 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-03 14:30 +0200
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 14:23 -0700

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