Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts
Date	2015-08-30 23:20 -0400
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On 8/30/2015 11:06 PM, hughaguilar96@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 7:01:59 PM UTC-7, pbj...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> In fact cores are so much better than interrupts as they can be
>> dedicated to the task at hand without distraction. For instance I
>> am developing a 32 channel serial asynch with any mix of rx and tx
>> (32 total) that is designed to work at 115,200 baud although the
>> transmitters are quite happy working even at 1M baud, all in one
>> core without any dedicated hardware UARTs etc. I've only spent less
>> than a day on this and already the transmitter section is working
>> very well without any jitter etc and now I am down to testing the
>> receiver section while I get sidetracked and program one of the
>> cores as a resident logic analyser. wOOt!
>>
>> Interrupts are great, that is if you only have a single core, which
>> is not great at all these days. Multicore should not be thought of
>> as parallel processing, as if even from the days of ILLIAC IV IIRC
>> this was shown to be quite difficult/impossible to program.
>> Multi-threading we understand though. Rather the cores are used IMO
>> much as people are used within an organization, each specialized
>> and looking after what they do best and everything runs smoothly.
>>
>> Interrupts? ah fooie!
>
> I agree that having more than one processor makes things easier. The
> MiniForth had an 8032 on board with some 64MB of RAM (not a typo:
> 64MB not 64KB). The 8032 had a UART built in, which the MiniForth
> lacked, so the 8032 buffered the files from the desktop-computer and
> then fed the data to the MiniForth through parallel I/O --- this way
> the MiniForth could do the laser etching, but not have to store the
> big files in memory (it had limited memory) --- the timing was pretty
> precise on the motion-control, so you really can't have the processor
> interrupted by a UART while it is in the middle of etching.
>
> I've been thinking about upgrading the FMITE so that it could be
> multi-core. It is pretty small, so on a big FPGA it there would be
> room for more than one of them. I would need semaphores so they don't
> step on each other's toes when accessing common RAM. Can you describe
> what is needed here? I think I need a primitive that can read and
> modify a memory location in one step.

It seems a bit odd to have the complexity of a CPU in an FPGA to handle 
the relatively simple task of motion control.  Why not use a simpler CPU 
like the 8032 to control dedicated hardware for motion control?  FPGAs 
are all about application dedicated hardware.  Much easier to get the 
synchronization and precise control that way.

-- 

Rick

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Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 00:53 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-26 08:51 +0000
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:50 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-26 07:23 -1000
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 04:33 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 08:46 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts mhx@iae.nl - 2015-08-26 11:17 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-26 12:50 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:28 -0400
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-27 23:44 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 18:28 -0700
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-08-26 11:41 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Syd Rumpo <usenet@nononono.co.uk> - 2015-08-26 17:12 +0100
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 09:48 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 18:39 -0400
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts "Ala'a Alawi" <amalawi@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 08:37 -0700
  Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts pbjtech@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 19:01 -0700
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 22:45 -0400
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-08-31 11:09 +0800
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 20:06 -0700
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 23:20 -0400
        Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 14:14 -0700
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:02 -0400
      Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bob <bob@none.com> - 2015-08-31 20:49 -0400
        Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 01:39 -0700
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-01 17:58 +0000
          Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bob <bob@none.com> - 2015-09-01 18:48 -0400
            Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-01 16:32 -0700
            Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 01:38 +0200
              Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 22:09 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 14:12 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 12:40 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 10:40 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:57 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 14:55 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:11 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 16:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:42 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 22:34 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 12:59 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 15:54 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 19:54 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-03 21:13 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-09-04 09:48 +0100
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 08:49 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-04 11:15 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 14:32 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:36 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 17:46 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 11:47 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 09:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 12:52 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Mux <Yvo.Zoer@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 10:20 -0700
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-02 23:35 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:09 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-03 02:07 +0200
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:49 -0400
                Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-09-03 14:30 +0200
    Re: Forth CPUs with NO Interrupts hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 14:23 -0700

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