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Re: Antimatter is the new dark energy?

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Antimatter is the new dark energy?
Date 2015-08-27 17:43 -0500
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On 8/27/2015 4:47 PM, kefischer wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:29:27 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/27/2015 1:10 PM, kefischer wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:55:43 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/26/2015 8:18 PM, kefischer wrote:
>>>>>            The effects of gravity are identical to the effects
>>>>> of acceleration, that is the PoE,
>>>>
>>>> Then you have misunderstood the PoE. The PoE says no such thing.
>>>
>>>          You are full of nonsense shit, bodkin,
>>> with attempted overpowering pretense
>>> of complete knowledge.
>>>
>>>           Go back and read everything Einstein
>>> wrote about the PoE,
>>
>> Exactly! and you should do that yourself. Read the German, not the
>> English translation, because you've already gotten yourself confused in
>> thinking that Principle of Equivalence and Equivalence Principle are two
>> different things. Einstein wrote NEITHER English phrase. What's the
>> German phrase he used?
>
>         What are you now trying to claim, asshole,
> that the translators made up things and did not
> do a literal translation?

The word Einstein used is Äquivalenzprinzip.
There are two ways to translate that one word into English:
"equivalence principle" or "principle of equivalence". Which one are you 
claiming is the only correct one, and on what basis are you going to 
make that claim?

>
>         The Kottler response on page 237 of volume 6
> says "Principle of Equivalence, where the hell
> do you think the pneumonic PoE came from?
>

"pneomonic"?

>
>> You have not read everything that Einstein wrote about the PoE.
>
>         Your stupid imagination does not know how
> much I have read, in fact, the PoE was the only
> part of GR I have ever been interested in.
>

Well, there you go. So you're not really interested in what Einstein 
said, because he said an awful lot more than the equivalence principle. 
In particular, Einstein did NOT say (as you claim) that gravity is 
completely equivalent to acceleration. Most of his work was in fact in 
the area where they are NOT equivalent. Einstein was very careful to 
state that only UNIFORM gravity is equivalent to acceleration. But as 
you and I both know, gravity is rarely uniform.

>
>> You have
>> read a few introductory pages and then given up on the rest.
>
>         And your ass sucks wind, you insulting SOB,
> your fixation with Newtonian gravitation and the
> nonsense of mutual attraction oozes out of your posts.
>
>
>> Had you not
>> given up on reading the rest of what Einstein said on the matter, you
>> would have seen that Einstein himself does not declare that acceleration
>> is completely equivalent to gravity.
>
>         Nobody said "completely", his obsession was
> relativity theory, and he had a professional reputation
> to protect, he got enough flak over the rational things
> he said, he sure was not going to say matter expands.

And he certainly wasn't going to say that gravity was equivalent to 
acceleration, and he didn't say that.

>
>
>>> and ignore the watered
>>> down nonsense other writers add.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Tidal effects of gravity CANNOT be replicated by any acceleration.
>>>
>>>           Of course they can, with relative motion after
>>> it is established what is accelerating,
>>
>> Prove it. Einstein said OTHERWISE.
>
>          That is what I said, it doesn't matter to what
> extent he followed that line of thought, he was
> interested in the math and gave credit to all
> the mathematicians that already had the basis
> for the space-time manifold worked out and
> to "mathematician Grossman".
>

Uh-huh. So what you're saying now is that you don't CARE what Einstein 
said. That's fine. So you can cease making statements about what 
Einstein's principle of equivalence says, so that you don't LIE about it 
in the process.

>
>>> the Divergent
>>> Matter model is far greater in predicting ability and
>>> scope, because matter expanding is more rational
>>> than space-time contracting, it is a literal interpretation
>>> of the PoE with a rational physical process providing
>>> the physics along with the lengthening units of
>>> measure.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The only aspect of gravity that can be replicated by acceleration is
>>>> UNIFORM gravity, which in fact the PoE is very clear about.
>>>
>>>          Without matter expanding, but matter can be
>>> expanding, that makes the difference, relativity
>>> is still involved in observation and measurements,
>>> but not in the process of matter expanding.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> there is no way the
>>>>> term "gravitational mass" or "inertial mass" is involved
>>>>> in that statement, but no doubt you and everybody
>>>>> else will continue to be jackasses and continue
>>>>> to confuse the PoE with the equivalence principle.
>>>
>>>
>>>         Why do you always leave quotes hanging,
>>> do you run out od steam, or don't know how
>>> to respond?
>>>
>>>          The paragraph above is the real issue that
>>> is holding back advances in gravity theory
>>> because the confused use of the "equivalence
>>> principle" term infers a definite existence of
>>> an attractive force acting at a distance.
>>>
>>>           People either are limited to what they
>>> were taught, or have a brain deficiency if
>>> they think any mysterious undetectable
>>> forces or fields exist that causes the
>>> effects of gravity.
>
>           Bodkin ran out of steam again.

It may occur to you that I'm only responding to the parts where you get 
Einstein's statements wrong, and that I frankly don't give a shit about 
what you have to say about your pet idea that is dead in the water. It's 
not worth the time to respond to divergent matter.

>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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