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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.atheism |
| Subject | Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. |
| Date | 2015-08-19 21:24 +0800 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <mr202q$ikl$8@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 2015-08-19 09:10 AM, nature bats last wrote: > On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 5:17:10 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-18 11:25 PM, nature bats last wrote: >>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 11:30:16 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-18 02:02 AM, nature bats last wrote: >>>>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 10:49:44 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-08-17 11:56 PM, nature bats last wrote: >>>>>>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 8:11:51 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 11:55 PM, John Ritson wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <mqpvas$r80$1@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> >>>>>>>>> writes >>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:33 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7b$vf2$10@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Living itself is a purpose. And it is a great purpose. It is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worship the God of living. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well I guess if you're going to anthropomorphize -- excuse me, >>>>>>>>>>>>> deus-morphize -- _any_ concept, then yes, any concept is a God of >>>>>>>>>>>>> something. That gets us rather deep into "so what?" territory though. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if we can agree on the fact of life which shows everybody >>>>>>>>>>>> including the atheists has a god of their own on a personal level, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We can't. You use the words 'god' and 'God' in ways that are so >>>>>>>>>>> non-standard that I doubt you make sense to anyone but yourself. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That only because you have never thought of God/god on a personal level. >>>>>>>>>> God is not out there in the sky. God is within you who is the center of >>>>>>>>>> your life. You actually live your life for God even when you call >>>>>>>>>> yourself an atheist. >>>>>>>>> So (according to you) everybody lives their life for God. >>>>>>>>>> When you don't live your life for the God within >>>>>>>>>> you, you always suffer in life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ..> > But since (according to you) everybody lives their life for God, nobody >>>>>>> ..> > 'always suffers'. >>>>>>> ..> > You are just talking rubbish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ..> No. If we can always live our lives for God, we would never suffer. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> .> > Try that one out on someone with reflex sympathetic dystrophy >>>>> .> > or paroxysmal extreme pain disorder or complex regional pain syndrome. >>>>> >>>>> .> For people who have to live a difficult life, when they live their life >>>>> .> for God, they may still have to endure the physical pain in their body, >>>>> .> but they don't have to endure any mental suffering in their mind. There >>>>> .> isn't any to begin with. In fact, they may be given the extra strength >>>>> .> to help them to endure the extra physical pain so that they can overcome >>>>> .> their difficulty. To them, failure will never discourage them, each time >>>>> .> they fail, it will only make them coming back to start a more fierce >>>>> .> struggle. It's all because they live their lives for God, they have >>>>> ,> nothing to worry about. >>>>> >>> >>> >>> .> > Are you speaking from personal experience with extreme >>> .> > and omnipresent pain? >>> >>> .> Not really. >>> >>> And yet you feel qualified to tell us what the >>> inner lives of those afflicted with intractable >>> pain is like. >>> >>> >>> You might want to reflect on that. >> >> I'm not speaking for everybody. It's just my own opinion based on my own >> experience which isn't qualified to be any kind of examples. Everybody >> in their life has to deal with pain and suffering sometimes. >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Nothing even close to your imaginations. >>> >>> Thankfully, I cannot begin to imagine what it >>> must be like for those with the very real >>> syndromes I listed. >> > > > .> It may not be easy to remove the pain in their body, but it is possible > .> to remove the suffering in their mind if they are willing. > > A false duality. No. A real challenge. > > Seth >
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 20:24 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:01 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 16:55 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:39 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-18 11:55 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 08:56 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 11:02 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-17 16:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:04 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:11 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 12:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 07:08 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 09:31 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-21 09:59 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-21 21:05 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-21 18:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-22 08:50 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-08-22 07:03 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:37 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-19 10:07 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:21 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Dreamer In Colore <dreamerincolore@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-19 16:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-20 14:51 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 14:14 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 08:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:16 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 21:24 +0800
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