OT: optimale Schaltkulisse, war: Re: StageFright: QuickFix

From	Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net>
Newsgroups	de.alt.comm.android
Subject	OT: optimale Schaltkulisse, war: Re: StageFright: QuickFix
Date	2015-08-13 20:17 +0200
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<mqimrr$cbh$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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Axel Berger [hey, Dich gibt's ja auch noch!] schrieb am 13.08.2015 um 
12:21 - völlig OT ;-)

> Habe ich nie so empfunden. Im Gegenteil, das direkte Gegenüber von R und
> L war beim Rangieren ein echter Vorteil. Das einzige, was man beim
> Wechsel schon mal suchen muß, ist der Rückwärtsgang und die neuerdings
> übliche Position beim fünften scheint mir eher unglücklich.

geht mir genau so. Für "R/L direkt gegenüber" sollte man dann (anders 
als bei üblichen PKW) aber auch einen "richtigen" Last-/ Rangier-/ 
Berg-/ Geländeanfahrgang haben; fürs "normale" Anfahren in der Ebene ist 
dann der "2." Gang der richtige.

Die Lösung bei meinem aktuellen 124er Benz mit 5-Ganggetriebe finde ich 
damit für einen PKW nahezu optimal: R links hinten. Klar, man muss den 
Schalthebel von rechts fassen (um ihn nach links zu drücken) und ihn 
dann auch noch anheben, aber das gelingt flüssig in einer Bewegung. Beim 
Vorschieben in den 1. muss man ihn nur ganz leicht daran hindern, in die 
3/4-Gasse zu flutschen. Rangieren geht damit fast so flott wie bei dem 
direkten Gegenüber, wie Du es oben beschreibst. Und "1 - vorwärts - 
Hebel nach vorne / r - rückwärts - Hebel nach hinten" ist beim Rangieren 
geradezu brainless intuitiv.

Gruß
	Werner

Thread

StageFright: QuickFix Peter Mairhofer <63832452@gmx.net> - 2015-07-28 00:37 +0200
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-07-28 03:04 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-07-28 08:44 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-06 20:32 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-06 21:11 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:43 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 00:00 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Gert Link <gertlink_nospam@gmx.de> - 2015-08-07 00:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 09:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 09:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 12:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-07 13:34 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Stefan Kanthak" <postmaster@127.in-addr.arpa> - 2015-08-07 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-07 20:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-08 18:02 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-09 01:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 01:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 21:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 00:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 14:02 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-10 19:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 21:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 22:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 23:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 04:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 19:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 09:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 10:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 18:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 19:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-20 00:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-20 13:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 15:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 15:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 22:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-21 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-22 06:46 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:37 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:48 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-22 09:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 12:39 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 15:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 20:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 23:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-25 12:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 11:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 19:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-26 16:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-26 20:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-27 10:23 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-27 14:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-04 10:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-05 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-07 12:20 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-07 16:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-08 00:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:19 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-08 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-09 21:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-10 19:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 15:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-08 10:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 23:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:18 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 16:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-25 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-23 06:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-26 18:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-26 21:41 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-27 00:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-27 01:49 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-27 08:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-27 11:05 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-28 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-28 07:15 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-29 12:27 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-08-29 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-31 10:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-28 12:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 15:33 +0200
                OT: Secure Boot (was: Re: StageFright: QuickFix) Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 00:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 11:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 12:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 17:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 21:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-26 18:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:25 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:40 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 08:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:55 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 01:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 13:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 13:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 14:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 11:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 00:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-14 01:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:46 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 11:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 12:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-11 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 10:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 13:36 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 17:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 17:55 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 20:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 22:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 21:01 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 14:03 +0000
                OT: optimale Schaltkulisse, war: Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-08-13 20:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 00:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-15 02:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 02:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-17 14:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 01:36 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-18 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 01:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:42 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-18 17:15 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 04:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:07 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 23:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 19:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 16:28 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:18 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-11 07:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 00:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:43 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 00:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:11 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 23:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-14 20:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 23:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-23 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-24 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 00:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-15 15:53 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 22:16 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-16 17:36 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 00:54 +0200
                Computer in der Jugend (was: StageFright: QuickFix) Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:12 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:26 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 00:18 +0000
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 02:28 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-10 17:15 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:12 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-06 23:39 +0000
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-08 23:56 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-09 11:51 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Markus Fuenfrocken <markus@fuenfrocken.de> - 2015-07-28 10:29 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-28 10:42 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-08-31 07:48 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-09-08 11:31 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-17 15:52 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-21 09:03 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 09:57 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 12:21 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 13:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 15:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-21 14:51 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 06:23 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-22 08:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-24 17:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-22 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-22 23:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 12:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 11:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 17:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-21 20:37 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-23 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 12:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 13:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 14:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-26 14:54 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-11-10 13:13 +0100

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