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Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox

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On 8/12/2015 3:09 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 12:29:06 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/12/2015 11:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 10:53:48 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/12/2015 9:11 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 6:16:45 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/11/2015 4:49 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 12:02:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/11/2015 10:47 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 11:34:55 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 11:06:42 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do the LT's predict: t' = (t-vx/c2)g. Since v = 0, t'=t,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which contradicts our above conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But v is not equal to zero. It is calculated as follows:
>>>>>>>>>>> v=(universal wavelength of the source)(measured frequency of
>>>>>>>>>>> the source - measure frequency at the detector)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But unfortunately for you, thats not how v (speed) is defined in SR.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SR is wrong and incomplete. That's why it is not capable of handling gravity.
>>>>>>>>> My formula is valid in all environments including gravity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ken, you'd have to describe how your definition of v would help you
>>>>>>>> measure the speed of a fastball at a baseball game.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You use the same formula I provided:
>>>>>>> v=(universal wavelength of the radar souce)((initial frequency of the radar source - returning frequency)/2)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have a radar gun. How do I measure the speed of a fastball at a
>>>>>> baseball game?
>>>>>
>>>>> As you said: Don't be so lazy.....look it up!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The key to physics is measurement. You have a definition of velocity and
>>>> have specified that the only way that you can measure that velocity is
>>>> if the object is emitting light or if you can use a radar gun on it.
>>>>
>>>> Really? How did anyone measure the speed of a runner in the 1700s? Did
>>>> they have to go look it up?
>>>
>>> Idiot PD..... look it up!!!!
>>>
>>
>> Yup, ok, did that. Back in the day, velocity was completely measurable
>> without measuring the frequency of any light bounced off the moving object.
>
> Somoron PD..... look it up how they do it.

I did!

>>
>> You now say this is the only way to measure velocity.
>
>
> You are a lying sack of shit. I never said that. I gave you the IRT way of measuring v.

Ah, OK, so IRT can't measure v of an object unless you use a radar gun 
or unless you measure the wavelength of light emitted by it.

>>
>> So, Ken, if you want to see why your statement is so laughably stupid, I
>> suppose YOU can look it up.
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>


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  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:10 +0200
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:36 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:54 +0200
  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-10 16:53 -0500
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:24 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 23:06 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 05:43 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 09:32 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-02 10:32 -0500
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-06 22:01 -0700
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-07 09:52 -0500
  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 21:34 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:39 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 08:06 -0700
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 08:34 -0700
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 08:47 -0700
            Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:02 -0500
              Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 14:49 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-11 15:11 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 17:16 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 07:11 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 09:53 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 09:09 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:29 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 13:09 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:39 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 14:47 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:52 -0500

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