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Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox

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On 8/12/2015 11:09 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 at 10:53:48 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/12/2015 9:11 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 6:16:45 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/11/2015 4:49 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 12:02:53 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/11/2015 10:47 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 11:34:55 AM UTC-4, rotchm wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 at 11:06:42 AM UTC-4, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do the LT's predict: t' = (t-vx/c2)g. Since v = 0, t'=t,
>>>>>>>>>> which contradicts our above conclusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But v is not equal to zero. It is calculated as follows:
>>>>>>>>> v=(universal wavelength of the source)(measured frequency of
>>>>>>>>> the source - measure frequency at the detector)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But unfortunately for you, thats not how v (speed) is defined in SR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SR is wrong and incomplete. That's why it is not capable of handling gravity.
>>>>>>> My formula is valid in all environments including gravity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken, you'd have to describe how your definition of v would help you
>>>>>> measure the speed of a fastball at a baseball game.
>>>>>
>>>>> You use the same formula I provided:
>>>>> v=(universal wavelength of the radar souce)((initial frequency of the radar source - returning frequency)/2)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a radar gun. How do I measure the speed of a fastball at a
>>>> baseball game?
>>>
>>> As you said: Don't be so lazy.....look it up!!!!
>>>
>>
>> The key to physics is measurement. You have a definition of velocity and
>> have specified that the only way that you can measure that velocity is
>> if the object is emitting light or if you can use a radar gun on it.
>>
>> Really? How did anyone measure the speed of a runner in the 1700s? Did
>> they have to go look it up?
>
> Idiot PD..... look it up!!!!
>

Yup, ok, did that. Back in the day, velocity was completely measurable 
without measuring the frequency of any light bounced off the moving object.

You now say this is the only way to measure velocity.

So, Ken, if you want to see why your statement is so laughably stupid, I 
suppose YOU can look it up.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:10 +0200
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:36 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-10 22:54 +0200
  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-10 16:53 -0500
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:24 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 23:06 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 05:43 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 09:32 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-02 10:32 -0500
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-06 22:01 -0700
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-09-07 09:52 -0500
  Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 21:34 -0700
    Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 07:39 -0700
      Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 08:06 -0700
        Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 08:34 -0700
          Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 08:47 -0700
            Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:02 -0500
              Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-11 14:49 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-11 15:11 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 17:16 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 07:11 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 09:53 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 09:09 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 11:29 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 13:09 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 15:39 -0500
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-12 14:47 -0700
                Re: Inescapable (symmetric) twins paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 16:52 -0500

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