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Re: voting booths in republican areas

From "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net>
Newsgroups comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: voting booths in republican areas
Date 2015-08-12 11:21 -0400
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"John B." <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:57:39 -0400, "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"John B." <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:rbeisa141693c76cb4mc9c6e41mqhag5o7@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 00:21:08 +0200, Axel Berger
>>> <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> But if a cop really wants to know who you are and you
>>>>> can't produce some sort of acceptable explanation/paper, he can 
>>>>> make
>>>>> life a living hell for you.
>>>>
>>>>And you really believe than in America you can tell police your name
>>>>is
>>>>Mickey Mouse and they'll just accept that and let you go? That's 
>>>>where
>>>>ID really makes life much easier for us and far less hassle.
>>>>
>>>>Axel
>>>
>>> I was under the impression that you must advise the police of your
>>> identification so googled it and find that some 25 states have a law
>>> that says they you must identify yourself if asked and the U.S.
>>> Supreme Court has ruled that the law is permissible if a state
>>> implements it.
>>
>>This is not so clear-cut.  There are only four states that have a law
>>that mandates that you must identify yourself when asked to by a law
>>enforcement officer for any reason or no reason.  In the other states, 
>>a
>>police officer can ask for ID at anytime but you are under no 
>>obligation
>>to provide it unless you are being detained and to be detained an
>>officer must suspect you of committing a crime or that you are about 
>>to
>>commit a crime.  If you are detained for any other reason, that itself
>>is illegal.  Police do have ways, as we know, of making life difficult
>>when you don't oblige to their demand even if they are unlawful 
>>demands.
>>You have to make a choice whether to stand up for your rights or allow
>>them to be violated.  Having a camera to record the "event" helps.
>>Still, there are cases where even that doesn't change things and 
>>police
>>blatantly violate one's rights.  It seems that there are only very few
>>instances where an officer who does that ever suffers any consequences
>>of it.  The system of police departments investigating themselves when
>>an officer is suspected of wrongdoing is problematic in itself.
>
> But in reality why should one care if someone asks their name?
> Businessmen almost always hand out name cards showing their name and
> telephone numbers and usually an address any time that they get close
> to anyone. The much vilified police all wear a badge with their serial
> number on it, the military all wear "name tags" on their uniforms,
> mechanics usually wear a shirt with their name embroidered over the
> pocket, in athletic events the participants all wear numbers for
> identification, gee... even a prisoner of war is required to give his
> name, rank and serial number.

If I am going about my business, doing nothing wrong and a police 
officer walks up to me and wants my ID then I would certainly object to 
it.  We all have a right to go about our business without being 
harassed.  I don't ascribe to the notion that if I have "nothing to 
hide" then I shouldn't worry.  I have nothing to hide but should I just 
allow police officers into my home to search it?  No.

Police officers wear badges and name tags, yes.  They are public 
servants.  As trite as it may sound, they work for us and we pay their 
salaries (very high ones where I live, averaging about $150,000.00 per 
year, some earning well over $200,000.00 per year).  They should not 
hide their identities from the people they work for and in many areas 
they are required to disclose their names and badge numbers whenever 
they are requested to do so by a citizen.  They are vilified but in many 
cases, they have earned that vilification.  I have seen it up close. 
Some certainly have the attitude that they live under a different set of 
laws.  While you and I will receive traffic tickets for breaking traffic 
laws, they don't.  I live amongst many police officers right in my own 
neighborhood.  Within the eight homes that surround mine, six are owned 
by police officers.  I've spent time with them, they break the very 
traffic laws they ticket people like us for.  For others, there is a 
bully mentality and the public are treated by them as an enemy rather 
than someone they are supposed to serve.  We do not have to mindlessly 
comply with every directive they give simply because they are police 
officers.  They are public servants, not the public's masters.

We are seeing an increasing eroding of our rights.  We are seeing an 
increasing militarization of police departments.  Police officers are 
not soldiers.  Soldiers have a different role, they are sent to deal 
with and eradicate an enemy.  Police officers are supposed to serve the 
public.  When you dress them like soldiers, arm them like soldiers, 
equip them like soldiers, and train them like soldiers, then they will 
act like soldiers and treat the people they are supposed to serve as if 
we are their enemy. 

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                Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 11:45 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 13:53 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 14:39 -0500
                Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 16:56 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 16:08 -0500
                Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 17:33 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 17:32 -0500
                Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-26 19:51 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-26 18:59 -0500
                Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-27 08:42 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-27 09:24 -0500
                Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 22:52 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:57 -0700
                Re: security vs. manners Bob Henson <rh547477@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 15:36 +0100
                Re: security vs. manners "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-08-25 21:04 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-26 03:25 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:26 -0400
                Re: security vs. manners The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 12:18 -0700
                Re: security vs. manners (was: accommodating unreasonable searches..) TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-25 08:36 -0400
                Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-16 23:19 +0000
                Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-17 18:08 +0100
                Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-17 17:22 -0400
                Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-17 23:15 +0000
                Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) "Stuart McCall" <smccall@myunrealbox.com> - 2015-08-18 17:11 +0100
                Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) noydb@no.way (Bruce Sinclair) - 2015-08-18 23:03 +0000
                Re: accommodating unreasonable searches - bad idea (was: voting booths..) Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 13:53 +0000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas John B. <johnbslocomb@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 06:49 +0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 17:25 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 19:51 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:31 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:56 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 20:51 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 21:48 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 19:29 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 15:40 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-07 00:08 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-07 21:08 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 01:04 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 13:58 +1000
                do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican   areas) Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-08 14:03 +0200
                Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in republican   areas) Elias <elias@nowherenohow.com> - 2015-08-08 10:02 -0500
                Re: do absentee voters need photo id? (was: voting booths in  republican   areas) Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-08 21:28 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "JHY" <JHY5566@nospam.com> - 2015-08-06 15:23 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas News <News@Group.Post> - 2015-08-06 07:00 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:59 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:33 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 15:34 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 18:50 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 16:55 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:12 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:40 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:26 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:24 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:16 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:22 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:35 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-06 14:36 +0000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:18 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:31 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:46 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:04 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:14 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 14:27 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:44 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 13:58 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 12:12 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:36 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-10 20:05 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 06:18 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:27 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:38 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 15:25 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 15:19 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:07 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 08:38 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-06 07:25 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:11 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-06 07:31 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 12:02 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 11:14 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:38 -0700
                leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot  booths..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-07 14:58 +0200
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot  booths..) "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-07 10:56 -0400
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot  booths..) "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 05:16 +1000
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-25 22:45 +0200
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-26 09:24 -0400
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-27 13:47 +0000
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-27 10:20 -0400
                q) campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? a) education Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0000
                comp.mobile.android "The Sorceress of Qar" <sorceress@qar.qanar.com> - 2015-08-27 09:23 -0500
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-27 13:01 -0400
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201509.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-09-06 00:12 +0200
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot  booths..) Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-08 16:21 -0700
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-22 23:11 +0200
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 20:54 -0700
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-22 23:40 -0500
                Bev's reverse logic (was: leader's campaigns..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-09-03 09:22 +0200
                Re: Bev's reverse logic David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-03 08:44 +0100
                Re: leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-23 08:49 -0400
                small campaign donations (was: leader's campaigns..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-31 16:06 -0400
                leader's campaigns should be financed by banks, or education? (was: vot  booths..) Jack Ryan <noreply@remailer.cpunk.us> - 2015-08-12 04:08 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-05 18:13 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 16:02 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Mike Yetto <unet.lighthouse@xoxy.net> - 2015-08-06 18:27 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:36 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-07 12:38 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-10 08:51 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-10 22:28 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 08:53 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 01:06 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-11 10:25 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-11 17:46 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-08-12 09:54 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-05 19:00 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-08-07 12:39 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas (was: Who pays..) Bert <bert@iphouse.com> - 2015-08-06 16:14 +0000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 09:07 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 09:49 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 11:46 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-18 12:38 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 18:51 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 11:14 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 08:31 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 12:56 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 11:57 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:04 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 12:22 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-19 15:36 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 06:09 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 13:10 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:03 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 12:39 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-19 20:09 +0000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:27 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 14:58 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 16:10 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 08:32 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:14 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-24 08:33 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-24 09:37 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 15:27 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:13 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 16:34 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-19 14:46 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 12:40 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 09:55 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-20 10:14 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-20 22:35 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:09 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-24 11:02 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 00:03 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:01 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:08 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 09:34 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 23:57 +0200
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-18 19:05 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-19 09:28 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> - 2015-08-19 19:14 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> - 2015-08-19 09:09 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-19 07:15 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:56 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 05:52 +1000
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:15 -0700
                Re: voting booths in republican areas David Solimano <david@solimano.org> - 2015-08-06 22:52 -0400
                Re: voting booths in republican areas BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net> - 2015-08-06 21:59 -0500
                Re: voting booths in republican areas The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 20:26 -0700
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:03 -0400
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 13:11 -0400
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 05:34 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:04 +0000
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Dieghettino <d@casa.mia> - 2015-07-26 06:41 +0000
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 08:45 +1000
              non-EU travellers must carry passports (was: Who pays..) Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-01 20:26 +0200
                Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-01 21:33 +0100
                Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-03 23:11 -0400
                Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports cl@isbd.net - 2015-08-04 14:25 +0100
                Re: non-EU travellers must carry passports Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201508.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2015-08-05 18:56 +0200
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 04:05 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 07:03 -0700
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-04 14:11 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-04 11:19 -0700
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:19 -0700
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 12:32 -0700
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0400
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-08-04 14:15 -0700
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 05:36 +1000
                id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints?  *no* Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2015-08-05 20:05 +0000
                Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints?  *no* Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-05 13:19 -0700
                Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints?  *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 04:46 -0400
                Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints?  *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 09:10 -0400
                Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints?  *no* tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 14:51 -0400
                Re: id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints?  *no* "PAS" <ntotrr@optonline.net> - 2015-08-06 14:58 -0400
                id required at New Mexico's illegal checkpoints?  *no* Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2015-08-08 08:48 +0200
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:45 +0000
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:04 +1000
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-27 09:51 +0200
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2015-07-28 09:30 +0200
                Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-30 20:24 +1000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-25 19:57 +0000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "M.L." <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-07-25 16:57 -0400
  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:39 +1000

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