Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu.

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu.
Date	2015-08-05 16:52 -0500
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On 8/5/2015 3:45 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 14:05:35 -0500, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, because they offer something that people consider to be more
>> valuable than what GM, US Steel, and Exxon offer. And so they are wildly
>> successful.
>>
>
> Oh dear me, I forgot to mention Disneyland.  They are also right up
> there as one of the biggest American corporations.
>
> So, cheap fantasy and self-indulgent narcissism is somehow more valuable
> than steel, oil, and automobiles.

Yes, the US economy is no longer driven on the back of manufacturing of 
hard goods. We are a dominantly service-based economy and have been for 
some years.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/01/the-shift-from-manufacturing-to-service-economy/

So which businesses are more "valuable" is best assessed by what's 
paying the bills in the US. Today. Not nostalgia from post-WWII days.

>
> In your dreams, perhaps, but then you are just another deluded client of
> the dream merchants.
>
>
>>
>> Apple is especially good at building the ecosystem that "just works"
>> with bulletproof ease and lowest-possible frustrations in use. This is,
>> today, the most valuable offering that any company can offer. And so
>> Apple is the largest company in the world.
>>
>
> What you are describing is a cheap transmogrification of computing.
>
> When personal computers first came into being, which was somewhere
> in the late 1970's in the form of the IBM PC and others, one could
> do nothing with them without actual programming.  These machines
> booted up directly into the BASIC interpreter and the user had to
> compose simple programs or programming commands in order to accomplish
> even the simplest of tasks.
>
> A computer is a GENERAL PURPOSE machine.  In itself, it is nothing.
> The user is responsible for creating the transformation into a productive
> entity based on the user's desire.

That's what it was in the 1970s, when it was a tool used for research 
and hobbyists. Then, the computer had no intrinsic value for the end 
user unless the user added quite a bit of effort and expertise to give 
it value.

The vision of the personal computer, which probably started more with 
the Xerox Alto than with the Apple II or the IBM PC, was to *change* the 
character of the computer to exactly what you describe below: an 
appliance. An appliance with the simplicity of use of a light switch or 
a blender or a car radio.

That's because MOST people do not want general purpose machines, for the 
same reason they do not want kits to make cars or a pile of wood and 
bricks to make homes. They want things that offer value on their own 
without requiring a lot of effort of their own, and without having to 
acquire expertise. This was recognized right away by Jobs et al. when 
they visited Xerox PARC, and they saw how to make a personal computer 
that would actually appeal to a large market.

>
> Apple, inferring from your description above, does not make computers.
> Rather it produces "appliances" that are highly fixed and directed in
> their capabilities.

I disagree. This is precisely the appeal of the smart phone with an app 
storefront. On Apple's app store, there are now 1,500,000 apps roughly. 
The premise of the smartphone+app-marketplace is that most people do not 
need or do not want an omnibus device or omnibus software that does 
everything. Most people want a device that does a FEW things, but 
everyone has a DIFFERENT few things. So everyone's phone becomes 
customized to their own lifestyle and interests. So the device and 
software is HIGHLY flexible, but with the objective of delivering to 
each end user a small amount of functions that are really all they want. 
Anything more than that becomes not worth the effort of ownership.

>
> What we see, then, in these latest gadgets, is an extreme limitation
> of the power and potential afforded to the user.  This is a lamentable
> degradation of technology.  Apple, and its corporate cohorts, should be
> jeered and not lauded.
>

Most people really don't share your vision of the wonder years of the 
Homebrew Computer Club, which by the way had dissolved by 1987. I'm 
pretty sure Heathkit is pretty much defunct. However, there is a lively 
though small community of homesteaders that make their own log cabins.

As a matter of disclosure, I myself am part of a dying breed of 
craftsmen. The difference between you and me is that I accept my deep 
minority status, acknowledge the reasons why my line of work is not 
really mainstream anymore, and refrain from despairing about the state 
of the world.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 00:39 -0700
  Start Killer (StartKiller.COM) removes Win10's Start Button. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 08:26 -0700
  Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 17:07 +0000
    Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:22 -0500
      Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:31 -0500
        You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:39 -0700
          Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:53 -0500
            Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:46 -0700
              Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:08 -0500
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:13 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:42 -0500
              Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:11 -0700
                Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:15 -0700
              Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 07:56 -0400
                "The Bachelor" (on the TV show) is a prissy bottom. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 10:45 -0700
              Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:06 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:13 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:31 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:06 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:26 +0200
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:29 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 15:42 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:00 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 16:11 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:37 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 18:51 +0200
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:59 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 19:04 +0200
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 17:48 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 20:07 +0200
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:09 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:26 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:30 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 12:44 -0700
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-05 15:47 -0700
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 14:14 -0500
                Re: Trite Hedonism.  Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:21 -0500
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:28 -0500
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:33 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:40 -0500
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:55 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:28 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:37 -0500
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:01 -0400
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:33 +0000
                What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:17 -0700
                Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:31 -0400
                Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:45 +0000
                Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ?  Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:35 +0000
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:21 -0500
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:02 +0200
                Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:26 -0400
          Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:20 +0000
          Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:46 -0700
            Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:26 -0700
            Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:29 -0700
        Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0700
          Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 22:59 +0000
          Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 23:00 +0000
            Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:45 -0500
      Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 01:38 -0400
    Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 13:46 -0400
    Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 11:31 -0700
      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 13:54 -0700
        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:16 +0000
          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:26 -0500
            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 21:35 +0000
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:50 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:57 -0400
            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-08-04 21:38 +0000
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 23:36 -0700
            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:48 +0000
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:53 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:08 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:28 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:47 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:06 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:52 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 00:22 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 07:50 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 11:45 -0500
          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:10 -0500
            Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:21 -0700
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:37 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:56 -0500
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 08:11 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:09 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:24 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:09 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:22 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:30 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:34 -0500
                Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 17:48 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:59 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:42 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:57 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 19:44 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:03 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 20:23 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:45 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 21:05 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:38 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:04 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:59 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:00 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:19 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:17 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-08 01:01 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 19:03 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 03:38 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:05 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 13:51 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:56 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:32 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:07 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Apollyon <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:11 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:05 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:16 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:45 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 16:52 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 22:26 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 01:24 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:43 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:43 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0700
            Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:30 -0700
              Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:05 -0400
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:50 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:00 +0000
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Buck Futter" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-08-05 22:35 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 01:50 -0700
                Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
        I'm watching you right now. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:19 -0700
          Re: I'm watching you right now. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 16:36 -0500
          Re: I'm watching you right now. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 17:16 -0700
            Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:41 -0700
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            Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 03:47 +0000
              Re: I'm watching you right now. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:11 -0500
                Re: I'm watching you right now. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:22 +0000
                Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 00:53 +0000
        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:55 -0500
          Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:30 +0000
      Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Mahipal" <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:44 -0700
        Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:01 -0700
    Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 14:34 -0500
      Indirectly, you (chrisv) see my posts. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:46 -0700
    Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:54 -0400

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