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| From | R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. |
| Date | 2015-08-05 21:05 +0000 |
| Organization | SDF Public Access UNIX System, Est. 1987 |
| Message-ID | <mpttqo$bsi$1@odin.sdf-eu.org> (permalink) |
| References | (6 earlier) <Jeff-Relf.Me@Aug.4{3.21P.Seattle.2015}> <mpsuet$agh$1@dont-email.me> <mpt1v2$ffq$2@speranza.aioe.org> <mpt2mq$sf1$1@dont-email.me> <mJKdnSWZZ4OehF_InZ2dnUU7-VsAAAAA@giganews.com> |
Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/5/15 8:24 AM, HVAC wrote: >> I'm all in. I give Google, etc, total access to every art of my public >> life. I actually pity the poor soul that has to monitor me. The tedium, >> the incessant use of tautologies and catchphrases...Even my diet is >> boring. And many people would find spending 10-12 hours a day on a boat >> fishing as not very exciting. The exciting parts of my life are shielded >> from their view by dint of the fact that there are none. > It's all done by algorithms. You are identified buy your computer, > habits, purchases, everything you have ever searched for or looked > at, ISPs, IP addresses, etc. > One thing I like about Apple is the encryption of mobile devices, > messages, FaceTime calls and banking transactions. Apple makes most > of its money selling hardware. Whereas Google, Facebook and some > make their money advertizing to you and selling your data. > But, don't take my word for it -- research it for yourself, just in > case you think I harbor any biases. :-) One problem is the security of the information various central collecting points have or dont have. There's a theorem about covert channels that essentially says unless a system is practically unuseable it may (i.e. can not be guaranteed not to) leak. The classic case is 2 programms running on shared hardware. By hogging a shared resource one program can send data to the other via the wait time the other needs to get the resource. Unless the resource is allocated randomly or is otherwise not influenced by load (e.g. equal quanta of sharing to all users regardless of their needs) the information leak will continue. Other considerations show this can also apply to passive eavesdropping by B as wel as deliberate messaging from A->B. Anyway... all this goes to warn that if Google keeps a stack of info on you then unless very very tight restrictions apply they can't absolutely guarantee any Tom, Dick or Rusty will be able to get ahold of it and do what they want with it. Now lemme give you a hypothetical example. Hypothetical because I know some places closed this loophole. When you visit a website, the page can get ahold of any cookies you keep. This is all meant to be sandboxed so there is no way to get that cookie info back to the server or anywhere else. But the covert channels theory says there may be ways and in some cases there used to be and I'm not saying if they still are but just remember your covert channel theory. :) This cookie info is supposed to be used for a company to plant data in its clients for later use by company services that run on client machines. But some grey hat web pages "used to" sometimes run man-in-the-middle things and use the cookies of other companies to gain accerss to info they should not be able to get. E.g. a web page gets ahold of your Company X cookie planted there by a nice company X ap some geek calls up every few minutes. Company X is not a complete idiot about security so said cookie is mostly encoded. But via various means the web page gets that cookie back to its server and the server while said geek is on the line starts fetching pages from company X and feeding them maybe in disguise back to the geek who thinks he's playing with something authorised by company X now and types stuff accordingly with that unfriendly server watching everything. This gives me the heebee jeebees everytime I hit a Paypal button. Another less evil use is simply to take that cookie and give it to some nice company X server and use it to ID the person that cookie belongs to because the comapny X server says sommin like "what is your password Mr Smith of 10 Bayview Rd, Ca, welcome back from last Monday, and you have 10 new messages. Do you want to search for more pictures of kittens?". I'm not saying I know anyone that used to do such sneaky things but it sure is great to have your own web server and have people visit it. -- [From the Project Much files:] Everything you warmballers say is a lie. We refute each and every one with references and you all pretend you've heard nothing. And then simply dismiss anyone with proof as a "denier". -- Ben Jacoby aka benj, 04/08/2015 08:23
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I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 00:39 -0700
Start Killer (StartKiller.COM) removes Win10's Start Button. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 08:26 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 17:07 +0000
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 12:22 -0500
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:31 -0500
You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:39 -0700
Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 14:53 -0500
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:46 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:08 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:13 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:42 -0500
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:11 -0700
Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:15 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 07:56 -0400
"The Bachelor" (on the TV show) is a prissy bottom. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 10:45 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:06 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:13 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 14:31 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:06 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:26 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:29 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 15:42 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:00 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 16:11 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:37 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 18:51 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:59 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 19:04 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 17:48 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 20:07 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:09 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:26 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:30 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 12:44 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:50 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-08-05 15:47 -0700
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 14:14 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:21 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:28 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:33 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:40 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:55 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:28 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 15:37 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:01 -0400
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:33 +0000
What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:17 -0700
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:31 -0400
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:45 +0000
Re: What's better: a pen or a pencil ? Salvador Dali used both. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 19:35 +0000
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:21 -0500
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-05 17:02 +0200
Re: Trite Hedonism. Quite Trite. "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:26 -0400
Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:20 +0000
Re: You don't have to use old code, you can/should rewrite it. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:46 -0700
Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:26 -0700
Show us your source code. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:29 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Rock Brentwood <federation2005@netzero.com> - 2015-08-04 15:40 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 22:59 +0000
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 23:00 +0000
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:45 -0500
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 01:38 -0400
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 13:46 -0400
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 11:31 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 13:54 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:16 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:26 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-04 21:35 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:50 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:57 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2015-08-04 21:38 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 23:36 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 21:48 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:53 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:08 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:28 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:47 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:06 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:52 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 00:22 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 07:50 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-07 11:45 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 17:10 -0500
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 15:21 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-04 22:37 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 18:56 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "A.M" <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-08-05 08:11 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:09 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:24 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:09 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:22 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:30 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:34 -0500
Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-05 11:03 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 17:48 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:59 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 08:42 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 17:35 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:57 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 19:44 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:03 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 20:23 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 15:45 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-07 21:05 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:38 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:04 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 13:59 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 14:00 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:19 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 16:46 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 18:17 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-08 01:01 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2015-08-07 19:03 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 03:38 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:05 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 13:51 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:56 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:32 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:07 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Apollyon <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:11 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:05 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 13:16 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 20:45 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 16:52 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 22:26 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 01:24 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 05:43 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:43 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-08-05 10:10 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 16:30 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:05 -0400
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:50 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 18:00 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 14:00 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Buck Futter" <invalid@example.com> - 2015-08-05 22:35 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 01:50 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "K Wills (Shill #3)" <compuelf@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 04:18 -0500
I'm watching you right now. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 14:19 -0700
Re: I'm watching you right now. gilber34 <invalid@invalid.com> - 2015-08-04 16:36 -0500
Re: I'm watching you right now. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-04 17:16 -0700
Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 17:41 -0700
Re: Ubuntu Spyware: What to do? Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2015-08-06 12:29 -0700
Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-05 03:47 +0000
Re: I'm watching you right now. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 09:11 -0500
Re: I'm watching you right now. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:22 +0000
Re: I'm watching you right now. Fabian Russell <root@localhost.localdomain> - 2015-08-06 00:53 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:55 -0500
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2015-08-05 21:30 +0000
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. "Mahipal" <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 17:44 -0700
Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 18:01 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-04 14:34 -0500
Indirectly, you (chrisv) see my posts. Jeff-Relf.Me <@.> - 2015-08-04 12:46 -0700
Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 06:54 -0400
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