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Re: Replacing Win10's Start Menu.

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On 2015-08-04 6:21 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me wrote:
> Quoting:
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-and-google-know-what-you-want-before-you-do-1438625660
> 
> Apple and Google Know What You Want Before You Do.
> 
> New technology for smartphones will monitor activity 
> and send information before it is requested; locking 
> in loyal users.
> 
> Apple and Google are preparing new smartphone apps 
> that will monitor and predict users’ activity and 
> supply information before it is requested.
> 
> By Daisuke Wakabayashi and Alistair Barr
> Aug. 3, 2015 2:14 p.m. ET  69 COMMENTS
> 
> Apple Inc. and Google Inc. are racing to anticipate 
> the needs of their users.
> 
> The technology giants, whose software runs nearly all 
> of the world’s smartphones, are adding features to 
> deliver information before users ask for it. Their 
> moves suggest that smartphones will evolve into 
> devices that dispense information unprompted.
> 
> The companies are tackling the technology 
> differently, reflecting their own expertise and 
> priorities. Apple’s Proactive Assistant, a feature of 
> its forthcoming iOS 9 software, aims to learn how a 
> user will behave from information stored on an 
> iPhone. By contrast, Google Now combs data from a 
> universe of online services and searches.
> 
> “This is a major battleground. The companies are 
> using this to highlight their strengths,” said Rich 
> Mogull, the chief executive of the research and 
> advisory firm Securosis.
> 
> Both companies hope the new features, some of which 
> are expected this fall, will keep their users loyal 
> and lock them into related services that make money. 
> For Apple, that means more returning customers for 
> its iPhones. For Google, it means more engaged users 
> for its advertisers.
> Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for 
> how long. ENLARGE
> Apple’s iPhone knows which apps you use, when and for 
> how long. Photo: Andrew Harrer/Bloomberg News
> 
> In addition, the ability to anticipate what users 
> want and deliver it at the right moment will be 
> crucial for such future devices as smart watches and 
> connected automobiles.
> 
> The efforts by Google and Apple are part of a growing 
> wave of “digital assistants” in the technology 
> industry aimed at providing a helping hand for 
> devices. Microsoft Corp. is putting “Cortana,” a 
> personal-assistant service, in all devices running 
> Windows software. Amazon.com Inc. ’s virtual 
> assistant is Alexa, who currently exists inside the 
> company’s Echo speaker.
> 
> At its developers’ conference in May, Google 
> demonstrated how Google Now can alert a traveler to 
> airport gas stations when the traveler is returning a 
> vehicle and may need to fill the tank. Google can 
> deduce the return time from emails showing the 
> traveler’s itinerary and real-time departure data 
> provided by airlines.
> 
> For other uses, Google Now, introduced in 2012, taps 
> Web search and browsing history, Google services such 
> as Gmail, calendar and YouTube, and data from the 
> phone such as location, time and app use. The company 
> says it wants as much information as possible to 
> produce the most useful recommendations.
> 
> “Imagine an assistant who works for you for [only] 
> one hour a day,” says Aparna Chennapragada, director 
> of product and engineering for Google Now. “I want my 
> assistant proactively working for me all the time.”
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> 
> Apple takes a more conservative approach, limiting 
> itself to information gathered on the phone. The 
> company says the iPhone knows which apps you use, 
> when you use them and for how long. It also knows 
> where you are and with whom you communicate 
> regularly. It has access to some emails, but it taps 
> them sparingly, Apple says, using them to identify 
> callers or create calendar events, for example.
> 
> As a result, Apple can’t replicate some of what 
> Google Now does. Its upcoming iPhone software will 
> have a feature called Siri Spotlight that suggests 
> people to contact based on future meetings or nearby 
> businesses. It will also find gas stations once 
> you’re near the rental-car office, but it won’t send 
> the information proactively.
> 
> So far, Apple has provided one example of when it 
> would seek information beyond the phone: tapping 
> real-time traffic data to suggest when to leave for 
> an upcoming appointment in the phone’s calendar.
> 
> Apple’s approach is focused on learning regular 
> activities. If you listen to music in the morning 
> while working out, for example, the phone will begin 
> playing your workout music when you plug in your 
> headphones in the morning. Apple hasn’t elaborated on 
> its plans for Proactive Assistant since its 
> announcement last month.
> 
> Apple also distinguishes between what its devices 
> know and what it as a company knows. Apple says its 
> device knows a lot about you, but that information is 
> tethered to the phone and isn’t collected by the company.
> 
> Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook has been critical of 
> companies such as Google that he says are profiting 
> by selling data on users to advertisers.
> 
> Google says it doesn’t sell or share user data with 
> other companies but uses its information to target ads.
> 
> Jamie Davidson, a partner at Redpoint Ventures and a 
> former Google engineer, says Google’s willingness to 
> tap a broader swath of data gives the company a leg 
> up. “It will be harder for Apple to create a 
> compelling experience without getting more 
> information from the broader Web beyond the phones,” 
> he says.
> 
> One app developer who works with Google says the 
> utility of Google Now will vary depending on how much 
> information a user shares. Those who share more will 
> get more relevant suggestions, the developer says. 
> But that benefit must be weighed against the privacy 
> implications of sharing so much personal information 
> with the company.
> 
> Dylan Russell, a 23-year-old media-studies student at 
> Northeastern State University in Tahlequah, Okla., 
> says he regularly uses Google Now on his Motorola 
> Moto X phone, and he isn’t worried about compromising 
> his privacy.
> 
> “I think it’s something that people are going to get 
> over,” Mr. Russell says. “It’s not a bad thing for 
> Google to know me better to help me better.”
> 
> On a recent Friday night, Mr. Russell saw that Google 
> Now had displayed information about local restaurants 
> and movies playing in a nearby theater. In another 
> instance, his boss sent him an email reminding him to 
> make a spreadsheet for a project, and Google Now 
> created a reminder for him.
> 
> “I thought it was super awesome. I didn’t click any 
> buttons,” says Mr. Russell. “They’re becoming more 
> like a real personal assistant, knowing you, knowing 
> what you like to do, and knowing when you like to do it.”
> 
> Later this year, Google plans to introduce Google Now 
> on Tap, which will use text and image recognition to 
> understand what users are doing inside apps and make 
> suggestions. It won’t send information proactively, 
> but it could anticipate the next steps a user may 
> want to take.
> 
> For example, when a friend suggests in a text message 
> eating dinner at a specific restaurant, Google Now 
> can bring up an information card with the 
> restaurant’s Yelp reviews, phone number, schedule and 
> a map, as well as a link to a booking app like 
> OpenTable to help secure a table.
> 
> Write to Daisuke Wakabayashi at 
> Daisuke.Wakabayashi@wsj.com and Alistair Barr at alistair.barr@wsj.com

Disgusting, more spying from Apple and Google.


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A.M

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      Re: I prefer Win8 because, unlike Win10, it has no Start Menu. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 01:38 -0400
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