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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: I Feel Slighted |
| Date | 2015-08-02 17:05 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <mpm47j$bej$4@speranza.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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On 7/31/2015 11:10 PM, kefischer wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 20:27:47 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 7/31/2015 5:33 PM, kefischer wrote: >>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 16:33:30 -0500, Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 7/31/2015 4:25 PM, kefischer wrote: >>>>> Well, now is your chance to show how stupid >>>>> you are by describing what the "meat of GR" is. >>>> >>>> It's in the books that we both own, and which I have read, and which you >>>> have not. >>>> >>>> I'm curious why you think it appropriate to ask to have it presented >>>> here for your convenience. >>> >>> I wasn't asking for "it to be presented here", >>> I wanted to see your idea of what it is. >>> >> >> Then read the books. > > So you have no idea what it is? Yes, I do. Let's open up some books you and I have and let's go through them together. > > >>> There are a lot of mis-statements being >>> made about some of the physics of gravity. >>> >>> One is that tidal forces will squeeze a >>> person from the sides, and stretch them >>> from head to foot. This is nonsense, >> >> Experimentally verified nonsense, by the way. > > The nonsense is the amount, it is not > the gravity of the planet, it is the mass of the > different parts of the body that determine > the "force", all the gravity of the planet does > is determine the acceleration. > > For two bodies, there is no "force" until > the two bodies touch, then the force would show > a sharp start of a force as the two bodies come in > contact, then diminish to a much lesser force, > which cannot exceed the mass of each body > times it's horizontal acceleration. And yet the tidal stretching occurs even without contact. Experimentally verified, Ken. What now? > > In the Divergent Matter model, that apparent > horizontal acceleration is only due to the meterstick > lengthening, which becomes a time component, > having little to do with the gravity of the planet, > because there would be no "horizontal" acceleration > once the two bodies are in contact and begin > following parallel paths because they can't move > closer together. > > The fact, that in the DM model there is a > continued force even though the two bodies > have to follow a parallel path while in contact, > shows the Divergent Matter model can be > very useful in predictions. > > The horizontal component of "tidal forces" > can only be half the horizontal acceleration of > the two bodies in opposite directions, multiplied > by the mass of each. > > >> The fact that you aren't aware of this phenomenon is nobody's problem >> but yours. > > I am aware of the apparent accelerations, > but with a better resolution of the "forces" > involved, because of some measure of > understanding of the Divergent Matter model. > > >>> there are _no_ forces acting other than >>> the inertial resistance of the objects >>> as they "push each other away from >>> the converging path they are freefalling >>> in as they both have a vector that points >>> at the center of mass of the planet. >>> >>> This means the only force that will >>> exist is the object's mass times the >>> side-ways acceleration, which can't >>> be anywhere near their relative freefall >>> acceleration. >>> >>> And the stretching from head to foot >>> can't be any more than the mass of the >>> head and foot times the difference in >>> the relative acceleration of the two points >>> of the centers of mass of the head and >>> foot. >>> >>> For the Earth, this "force" would never >>> be more than a few grams. > > > > > -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-31 20:27 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-01 00:10 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-01 04:51 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-01 08:11 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 17:05 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-02 19:12 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-02 19:48 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-03 01:29 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-03 04:35 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-03 08:12 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-03 08:21 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-03 15:37 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-04 21:52 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-04 15:00 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-04 20:16 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-04 16:37 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-04 20:46 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-04 20:57 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 14:58 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-04 23:51 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 15:02 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-04 23:55 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-05 05:09 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 08:42 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 08:21 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 13:26 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 12:06 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 16:18 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-05 06:26 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 12:23 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 16:31 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-05 10:33 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 13:33 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 12:05 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 16:21 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 16:48 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 11:55 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 16:01 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 18:23 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 16:33 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Poutnik <Poutnik4NNTP@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 18:44 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-05 16:56 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 22:32 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 22:38 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-07 12:50 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:05 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:52 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 11:39 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-05 08:50 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 17:28 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 22:14 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-05 19:43 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-05 23:46 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 05:03 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-06 10:05 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 08:04 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 13:00 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 12:07 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-06 15:24 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 15:30 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 13:38 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-07 13:27 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 06:30 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-07 13:45 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 07:29 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-07 17:24 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-07 11:25 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-07 17:16 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-09 16:03 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-09 22:05 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:50 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-06 03:35 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 05:15 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-06 08:43 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:24 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-06 14:02 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-06 12:17 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-06 15:30 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 02:39 -0700
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:25 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-09 15:28 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Emmerich Schultheiß <emme@noemail.thx> - 2015-08-09 13:42 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:11 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-08-16 15:37 +0200
Re: I Feel Slighted Eteocles Panagakos <eteoclespd@prospernetwork.org> - 2015-08-16 13:51 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:17 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-04 20:13 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-04 16:38 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-04 20:44 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-04 16:29 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Bohuš Matuška <bohu@paranetnet.net> - 2015-08-04 20:39 +0000
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:08 -0500
Re: I Feel Slighted kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-02 06:02 -0400
Re: I Feel Slighted Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 09:06 -0500
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