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Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit

From Desk Rabbit <me@example.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit
Date 2015-04-24 17:42 +0100
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On 24/04/2015 15:18, Slimer wrote:
> On 2015-04-24 9:44 AM, taka0038@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, April 24, 2015 at 1:51:57 PM UTC+9, DFS wrote:
>>> The hobbyware is really dragging these days.
>>>
>>> Dual-booting Mint 17.1 Cinnamon 64-bit and Windows Server 2012 R2 64-bit
>>> (eval version)
>>>
>>>
>>> ============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> Linux:
>>>
>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ ls -l *.iso
>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 4148166656 Oct 15  2014 CentOS.iso
>>> -rw------- 1 dfs dfs 1480048640 Feb 23 19:50 Manjaro.iso
>>>
>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp Manjaro.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>> real    0m14.473s
>>> user    0m0.008s
>>> sys    0m2.960s
>>>
>>> dfs@mint17 ~/Desktop $ time cp CentOS.iso /home/dfs/Downloads
>>> real    0m43.194s
>>> user    0m0.046s
>>> sys    0m8.354s
>>>
>>>
>>> That's 57.7 seconds to copy 2 big files.
>>> ext4 filesystem
>>>
>>> ============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>> Windows:
>>>
>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> dir
>>>
>>> Mode                LastWriteTime     Length Name
>>> ----                -------------     ------ ----
>>> -a---        10/15/2014   1:00 PM 4148166656 CentOS.iso
>>> -a---         2/23/2015   7:50 PM 1480048640 Manjaro.iso
>>>
>>>
>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\Manjaro.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>> TotalSeconds      : 8.8013274
>>>
>>>
>>> PS C:\Users\DFS\desktop> Measure-Command {Copy-Item
>>> c:\users\dfs\desktop\CentOS.iso c:\users\dfs\downloads}
>>> TotalSeconds      : 35.5849752
>>>
>>>
>>> That's 44.4 seconds for the same 2 files.
>>> NTFS filesystem
>>>
>>> ============================================================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why is the most popular hobbyist "operating system" 30% slower than
>>> Windows at copying 2 large files?
>>>
>>> (the answer is actually in the question)
>>
>> I guess DFS used a crappy SATA driver for the Mint and well tuned
>> commercial SATA driver in the Windoze.  That's the problem with Linux,
>> hardware is not supported as well as in the M$World ...  SATA speed on
>> the chipset makes a hell of difference!
>
> Linux developers just want the hardware to work and in that sense, they
> do a pretty good job. After all, it recognizes and sets up hardware that
> is directly-connected to a Linux machine a lot better than Windows does
> in my estimation. The problem is that recognizing and allowing the
> hardware to work is as far as the support goes; it doesn't actually
> support the hardware _well_. Printers will do the bare minimum even in
> terms of resolution and chipsets will probably not reach the maximal
> performance that they are supposed to offer. You have to give the Linux
> developers kudos for what they DID get working, especially since they
> developed a solution _without_ the manufacturer's help in many cases,
> but if performance and features DO matter to you, Linux is not the
> operating system to use.
>
>

In the server enterprise world, hardware support and drivers are 
excellent and as good as Windows. It's the Desktop world where stuff 
falls apart.

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Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 00:51 -0400
  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 01:47 -0700
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 10:41 +0100
    DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 06:28 -0400
      Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 03:41 -0700
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:16 +0200
          Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 04:22 -0700
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:38 +0200
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 08:55 -0400
                Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:29 -0700
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 15:01 +0200
              Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:27 -0700
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 09:35 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 10:11 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 08:53 -0700
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-04-24 09:26 -0400
          Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 08:59 -0400
            Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:33 -0700
      Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 13:14 +0200
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 12:29 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-24 12:33 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:33 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 14:53 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-24 21:34 +0000
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-28 07:28 -0400
      Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-04-26 18:52 -0500
        Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-27 07:39 -0500
          Re: DFS 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-27 08:46 -0400
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 14:53 +0200
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-24 08:08 -0500
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 15:09 +0200
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2015-04-24 06:35 -0700
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:54 -0600
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:39 -0400
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 15:50 -0600
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 18:18 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-25 09:18 -0400
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 11:12 -0400
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-25 11:54 -0600
  Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 06:44 -0700
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 10:07 -0400
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 07:52 -0700
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 16:58 +0200
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 11:03 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-24 17:14 +0200
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 08:55 -0700
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-24 18:07 +0200
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit taka0038@gmail.com - 2015-04-24 09:34 -0700
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:26 -0400
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-24 12:11 -0400
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-04-24 12:18 -0400
          Who cares what you have to say, troll. GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 17:39 +0100
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2015-04-24 10:04 -0700
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2015-04-24 11:50 -0600
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-24 23:08 +0000
    Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 10:18 -0400
      Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2015-04-24 17:42 +0100
        Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 17:35 -0400
          Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-04-25 00:00 +0200
            Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 15:44 -0700
              Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-24 20:57 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-24 18:50 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 10:51 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 10:02 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 14:34 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 15:14 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 20:53 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-25 21:37 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-25 21:55 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:37 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Tomas <tgif9fri@numo.net> - 2015-04-25 22:42 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:51 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 03:23 +0000
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 20:39 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 04:29 +0000
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 22:55 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 10:14 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2015-04-26 23:12 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-27 03:28 +0000
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-26 00:00 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 21:18 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2015-04-26 04:48 +0000
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Slimer <slvrslmr@lv.c> - 2015-04-26 12:39 -0400
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-26 10:33 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 11:45 -0700
                Re: Linux 30% slower bullshit Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-04-25 19:39 -0700
  One of the stupidest comments on COLA that Moi has ever seen. John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2015-04-26 07:22 -0700

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