Re: Learning about the Kernal

From	ruben safir <dont@email.me>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Learning about the Kernal
Date	2015-03-21 19:54 +0000
Organization	PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
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On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:20:34 -0400, Michael Black wrote:

> So at this point, anyone wanting to compile a kernel is doing it for
> some specific need, maybe the challenge, maybe they have some obscure
> hardware,
> maybe they are just interested in making it smaller.  But most people
> can live with the bloated kernel that comes with any distribution.

I have news for you.  It was no easier or harder back in the late 
nineties to load an OS than it is today.  And when you go to the shelf 
today and grab COTS hardware, it is HARDER, not easier to get it to work 
because so much of the system is now obsfucated from the user and the 
dependency of binary blobs has skyrocketed, and standards have been 
abandoned.

If you don't want to learn to use your kernel, to compile it, to 
understand how it fits in with the rest of your system, it is no sweat 
off my brow.  Just don't get uppity when I want to actually learn how 
these things fit together, like a normal person who depends on these 
systems for real work would want to.

As for the observation about grub2 and kernel compilation question, 
OBVIOUSLY the two are directly related which is why LILo was run from the 
make files at one time.

grub and grub2 sucks.  It adds complications without reason and wastes 
time that can be better prent doing work.

Ruben

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Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-14 19:59 -0400
  Re: Learning about the Kernal Xavier Roche <xroche@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid> - 2015-03-15 11:11 +0100
    Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben <nowhere@nowhere.nor> - 2015-03-15 21:14 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-16 10:02 +0200
        Re: Learning about the Kernal Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2015-03-17 00:18 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-16 20:53 -0700
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:14 +0000
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:23 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-16 21:58 -0400
        Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:21 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:51 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-17 09:10 -0400
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-17 14:12 -0400
              Re: Learning about the Kernal William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-17 19:03 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 19:08 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-17 15:17 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 01:06 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-19 23:52 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 10:52 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 20:33 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-04-20 09:48 -0400
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-17 15:08 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-18 03:36 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-18 10:09 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 01:04 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 10:58 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-20 09:22 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 18:39 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 20:04 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-20 21:10 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 05:03 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 18:42 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-20 15:31 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 05:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-21 09:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben <nowhere@nowhere.nor> - 2015-03-21 14:40 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-03-21 12:20 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 19:54 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-03-21 17:56 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 19:56 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-21 16:18 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-17 16:10 +0200
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-17 14:06 -0400
              Re: Learning about the Kernal William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-17 19:00 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-17 19:05 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-17 14:17 -0700
                Re: Learning about the Kernal William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-19 06:04 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 08:45 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 08:20 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-21 16:09 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 20:10 +0000
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:39 +0200
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2015-03-18 03:35 +0000
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 08:47 +0000
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-21 20:19 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 20:30 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-22 20:05 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-23 01:16 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-23 20:27 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-25 02:57 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-25 02:59 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-25 20:59 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-04-20 09:44 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 00:07 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-22 00:07 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 01:13 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-22 03:11 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 04:20 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-22 13:19 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-22 15:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 21:52 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-22 20:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 22:01 +0100
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2015-03-23 04:02 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-23 05:13 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben <ceo@iran.gov> - 2015-04-12 13:03 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:18 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-17 01:52 -0400

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