Re: Learning about the Kernal

From	Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Learning about the Kernal
Date	2015-03-21 17:56 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<3161ub-dak2.ln1@raspberry-pi.bildanet.com> (permalink)
References	(13 earlier) <meiul2$il$5@reader1.panix.com> <mejcns$4j1$2@news.albasani.net> <mejvsk$8tn$1@reader1.panix.com> <alpine.LNX.2.02.1503211210240.27870@darkstar.example.org> <mekia1$evu$10@reader1.panix.com>

Show all headers | View raw

On 03/21/15 15:54, ruben safir wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:20:34 -0400, Michael Black wrote:
>
>> So at this point, anyone wanting to compile a kernel is doing it for
>> some specific need, maybe the challenge, maybe they have some obscure
>> hardware,
>> maybe they are just interested in making it smaller.  But most people
>> can live with the bloated kernel that comes with any distribution.
>
> I have news for you.  It was no easier or harder back in the late
> nineties to load an OS than it is today.  And when you go to the shelf
> today and grab COTS hardware, it is HARDER, not easier to get it to work
> because so much of the system is now obsfucated from the user and the
> dependency of binary blobs has skyrocketed, and standards have been
> abandoned.
>
> If you don't want to learn to use your kernel, to compile it, to
> understand how it fits in with the rest of your system, it is no sweat
> off my brow.  Just don't get uppity when I want to actually learn how
> these things fit together, like a normal person who depends on these
> systems for real work would want to.
>
> As for the observation about grub2 and kernel compilation question,
> OBVIOUSLY the two are directly related which is why LILo was run from the
> make files at one time.
>
> grub and grub2 sucks.  It adds complications without reason and wastes
> time that can be better prent doing work.
>
> Ruben
>
>
>

Or just move to FreeBSD... the sane way to do things

Thread

Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-14 19:59 -0400
  Re: Learning about the Kernal Xavier Roche <xroche@free.fr.NOSPAM.invalid> - 2015-03-15 11:11 +0100
    Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben <nowhere@nowhere.nor> - 2015-03-15 21:14 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-16 10:02 +0200
        Re: Learning about the Kernal Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn@panix.com> - 2015-03-17 00:18 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-16 20:53 -0700
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:14 +0000
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:23 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-16 21:58 -0400
        Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:21 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:51 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-17 09:10 -0400
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-17 14:12 -0400
              Re: Learning about the Kernal William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-17 19:03 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 19:08 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-17 15:17 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 01:06 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-19 23:52 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 10:52 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 20:33 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-04-20 09:48 -0400
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-17 15:08 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-18 03:36 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-18 10:09 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 01:04 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 10:58 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-20 09:22 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 18:39 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-20 20:04 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-20 21:10 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 05:03 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-20 18:42 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-03-20 15:31 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 05:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-03-21 09:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben <nowhere@nowhere.nor> - 2015-03-21 14:40 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-03-21 12:20 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 19:54 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Baho Utot <baho-utot@columbus.rr.com> - 2015-03-21 17:56 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 19:56 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-03-21 16:18 +0000
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-17 16:10 +0200
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-17 14:06 -0400
              Re: Learning about the Kernal William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-17 19:00 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Tim Watts <tw_usenet@dionic.net> - 2015-03-17 19:05 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2015-03-17 14:17 -0700
                Re: Learning about the Kernal William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-03-19 06:04 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 08:45 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 08:20 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-21 16:09 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 20:10 +0000
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:39 +0200
          Re: Learning about the Kernal Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2015-03-18 03:35 +0000
            Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 08:47 +0000
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-21 20:19 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-21 20:30 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-22 20:05 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-23 01:16 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-23 20:27 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-25 02:57 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-25 02:59 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-25 20:59 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-04-20 09:44 -0400
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 00:07 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-22 00:07 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 01:13 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-22 03:11 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 04:20 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-22 13:19 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-03-22 15:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 21:52 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2015-03-22 20:13 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-22 22:01 +0100
              Re: Learning about the Kernal Chick Tower <c.tower@deadspam.com> - 2015-03-23 04:02 +0000
                Re: Learning about the Kernal Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-03-23 05:13 +0100
                Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben <ceo@iran.gov> - 2015-04-12 13:03 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <dont@email.me> - 2015-03-17 05:18 +0000
      Re: Learning about the Kernal ruben safir <ruben@mrbrklyn.com> - 2015-03-17 01:52 -0400

csiph-web