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Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted

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On 09/06/2025 16:09, NY wrote:
> On 06/06/2025 10:27, occam wrote:
>> On 05/06/2025 19:50, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> On 05/06/2025 17:49, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It seems like perhaps the connection times out (probably at the
>>>>> server end) and Thunderbird takes ages to realise and re-connect.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds exactly like 'my' problem, it knows it had a connection so
>>>> assumes it still has a connection ...
>>>>> I definitely had the same problem well before V139 came out, though
>>>>> maybe not so bad.
>>>> problem started after the introduction of the jscript implementation
>>>> of nntp client, for some time you could disable the jscript version
>>>> and use the old c++ implementation, then the fallback option got
>>>> disabled.
>>>
>>> Maybe configuring Thunderbird to check for new messages every now and
>>> then would be enough to act as a kind of keep-alive for the connections?
>>> This may not suit everyone though, you may not want automatic download
>>> of message headers.
>>>
>>> I'm going to experiment.
>>>
>>> Screenshot of settings I'm testing first:
>>> https://www.brian-gregory.me.uk/GDL/ThunderbirdKeepAliveTest-or8.png
>>>
>>
>> I've had the problem of connection to the usenet server for quite a long
>> time - well before the latest version of TB 139.
>>
>> Good luck with your experimentation - but my prediction is it will not
>> work.(It has not worked for me.)
>>
>> I posted the connectivity  problem here before, without any joy.
>>
>> Here are some bits of advice:
>>
>> 1- Unless you are very skilled with Wireshark, Paul's advice is going to
>> lead you down a black hole.
>>
>> 2- It puzzles me that the OP does not receive any error messages. I
>> have, and continue to do so. "SEND ERROR MESSAGE: Sending of the message
>> failed. The message could not be posted because connecting to the news
>> server failed" and later  "Connection to News.Individual.net was reset"
>> or  "Connection to news.eternal-september.org was reset"
>>
>> 3. I do NOT need to restart TB to get the connection working. Just
>> having a second (or third) try. This is why I normally save an unsent
>> (failed) message to my Draft folder. If 'send' fails, I have another go.
>> It normally goes on the 2nd or 3d attempt.
>>
>> 4. I have had this failure mode for over a year. There were no bug
>> reports that I could find on the TB bug report site. (I have not checked
>> for a long while.)
>>
>> Thanks for trying to resolve this. A fresh pair of eyes (yours and
>> poster NYs) may yield better results.
> 
> Since I turned on "automatic checking every 5 minutes" I've not had a
> recurrence of the problem that I reported. Every posting that I've
> submitted has been sent, without indefinite stalling and no error
> message, and I've never had a situation where a newsgroup shows a number
> of new postings but they refuse to open to be read.
> 
> So it does look as if the "automatic connection" as a keepalive seems to
> have solved it for me. It used to work once, then an update (at some
> time in the past) broke it. But at least there is a fix/workaround.

I am wondering if you have had time to re-evaluate your solution since.
I did the same (i.e. I turned on "automatic checking every 10 minutes")
but the problem persists.

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Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-05 13:22 +0100
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted D <noreply@dirge.harmsk.com> - 2025-06-05 08:53 -0400
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-05 11:32 -0400
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-06-05 17:24 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-05 17:49 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-06-05 18:50 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-05 21:08 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-05 21:12 +0100
            Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-06-06 00:48 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2025-06-06 11:27 +0200
          Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-06-06 07:49 -0400
            Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-06 13:01 +0100
          Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-06-06 14:33 +0100
          Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-09 15:09 +0100
            Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-09 16:46 +0100
            Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2025-06-11 16:32 +0200
              Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-12 19:47 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-06-15 18:03 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-15 18:11 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-06-18 16:43 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted NY <me@privacy.net> - 2025-06-15 21:24 +0100
                Re: Followup - Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-06-18 16:50 +0100
  Re: Thunderbird V139 loses contact with newsgroup server - cannot send or receive postings until TB is restarted Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-06-05 17:44 +0100
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