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| From | "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: Can I update W10 to W11 with the iso? |
| Date | 2025-05-26 13:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <m9k39rF1v99U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 5/26/2025 2:05 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>> Paul wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5/25/2025 12:34 PM, ...winston wrote:
>>>> T wrote:
>>>>> On 5/24/25 10:40 AM, ...winston wrote:
>>>>>> T wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/24/25 7:14 AM, ...winston wrote:
>>>>>>>> T wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Or do I have cut it to a USB drive and
>>>>>>>>> boot of it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am after an in place upgrade that keep the
>>>>>>>>> old stuff around (not a wipe).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the subject of the post.
>>>>>>>> => Yes
>>>>>>>> - mount the iso and run setup.exe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the USB drive boot
>>>>>>>> => No
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Awesome reply. Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now go back and look at the Win10 partition structure.
>>>>>> - To prevent certain upgrade failures due to WinRE and SafeOS
>>>>>> Ensure:
>>>>>> - the device is UEFI/GPT
>>>>>> - All Windows expected partitions are present in this order
>>>>>> System, MSR, Windows 10, Recovery, Data(or other OEM partitions)
>>>>>> - WinRE(winre.wim) is at least this service pack build release
>>>>>> level build or greater and a modified date of at least Mar 2025
>>>>>> or later(April 2025 was the latest update to WinRE) ServicePack
>>>>>> Build
>>>>>>> 5728
>>>>>> Modified : 4/11/2025
>>>>>> - As noted above, Active WinRE partition is adjacent and directly
>>>>>> to the right of Windows partition(in a normal GPT it would be
>>>>>> partition #4) => Run reagentc /info in an admin command prompt to
>>>>>> see the partition# => Run DISM /Get-ImageInfo to determine the
>>>>>> Service Pack build and latest modified date
>>>>>> e.g. for WinRE as partition #4 on Disk 0
>>>>>> DISM /Get-ImageInfo /ImageFile:\\?
>>>>>> \GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition4\Recovery\WindowsRE\winre.wim
>>>>>> / index:1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to do a full clonezille of both
>>>>> computes before proceeding. I am super paranoid.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was also going to use the Rufus doctored ISO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If WinRE partition is not adjacent to the Windows partition, it
>>>> should be corrected prior to upgrading(any method) from Win10 to
>>>> Win11. - Disable the non-adjacent WinRE using reagentc (this is
>>>> important) => Why is it important...This will place(move) the WinRE
>>>> file(winre.wim) to the C:drive and in the correct
>>>> place[C:\Windows\System32\Recovery folder.}
>>>> - Shrink the Windows partition by 1 or 2 GB(the latter ensures it
>>>> will be sufficient size until Win11 EOL)
>>>> - Delete the disabled WinRE partition
>>>> - Recreate a new WinRE in the unallocated space.
>>>> => The WinRE file on the C drive will be moved to the WinRE
>>>> partition
>>>> - Verify WinRE is now adjacent to the Windows partition
>>>> - Restart the device, check again. Run Windows Update to ensure May
>>>> 2024 latest SSU, LCU/SafeOS/WinRE is present
>>>>
>>>> If you don't know how to do any of the above, you'll need to ask
>>>> for instructions and also include pictures of current(before doing
>>>> anything) partitions on the main disk.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Working from a diagram helps. Sample.
>>>
>>> [Picture]
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/sDKTV7Zy/sample-partition-table.gif
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> I ran reagentc /info and it reports disabled. Diskpart shows it is
>> there. Why is it disabled and what is my problem now?
>>
>
> The purpose of re-agent-c is to have an emergency boot OS when
> the main OS is not available. For example, C: might be encrypted
> and have some problem opening it. Or C: might need a CHKDSK to become
> functional.
>
> While some machines have reagentc enabled, the location of WinRE.wim
> is
> on the C: partition itself. While this is used as a parking position,
> if I understand how this is supposed to work, that's a less than
> optimal
> position. Having the reagentc information in the BCD, point to a
> separate Recovery Partition, is a better solution. The Recovery
> Partition
> contains no customer files, so it's not a security issue.
>
> The WinRE.wim occasionally needs security fixes. Presumably it has
> some
> Secure Boot implications, which is why it needs to be patched. Hardly
> any user computers are properly patched, because the users are
> expected
> to perform maintenance operations they are totally unfamiliar with.
> Just the fact yours is disabled, indicates how long a walk uphill
> is ahead of you :-)
>
> When you do a clean install today, the reagentc is typically disabled.
> Maybe the file is on C: . Maybe the file isn't on C: at all. I don't
> track the issue. I only repair them here, as my own special kind of
> hobby.
>
> The secret sauce, is the PushButtonReset.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/qRhGVryW/Push-Button-Reset.gif
>
> Those two files need to be extracted and put in your work directory.
>
> The destination is in the Recovery Partition ("Hidden"). It
> can be assigned a drive letter using "diskpart.exe" , as one
> means to traverse there. I'm only using "testdisk.exe" from
> a third party, as a quick means to take a picture and avoid
> the boredom of a lot of "dir /ah" hidden file reveals.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/XqD3Zwpr/Recovery-Partition.gif
>
> Those two work files would go over top of what is in there now.
> The reason for this, is you're "resetting" the thing, and you
> are convincing the OS to forget about the crap already
> spread all over the place, and trust the two new items
> (extracted from the 24H2 DVD) as a replacement.
>
> To put the files in there, the last time I tried to do that
> from windows, I was repulsed by the permissions. Now, I could
> have made a giant mess of the thing, and beaten it senseless
> with my "computer hammer", but instead I just booted up Linux
> and put the files in there without a fuss. With the right file
> system driver, Linux does not care about permissions. That's
> why dropping the two files in there is so easy.
>
> Now, you have to craft a command for the running OS, to get it
> to pick up the new info.
>
> https://www.tenforums.com/performance-maintenance/211034-recreate-winre-files-new-recovery-partition.html
>
> If I assign the letter R: to the Recovery Partition (partition 4),
> I can do this to have the PBR consumed and instantiated.
>
> REAGENTC.EXE /setreimage /path r:\Recovery\WindowsRE /logpath
> C:\Temp\Reagent.log
>
> The command will convert the letter reference, to the alternate
> namespace.
> This is the pointer you'd see in the enabled reagentc /info later.
>
> \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition4\Recovery\WindowsRE
>
> You could also direct the operation, by using that identifier, instead
> of using the R: trick and a diskpart letter assignment.
>
> In the administrator window you're issuing that command, should
> be confirmation it took. You were starting with reagentc disabled,
> before using that command, so that the PBR is "ready-to-take". The
> logic behind that stuff, has many curve balls it can throw at you.
>
> For the OS to later be able to patch that file, on a Patch Tuesday,
> you need enough space in the partition. Let's say the partition
> is 600MB right now. You should at least *double* the size,
> if you are planning ahead for one of its little party tricks.
> What the stupid thing does, is it can move the WinRE.wim out of
> WindowsRE
> and put it in a "nearby" folder on the same partition. If it is
> patching,
> and it runs out of room while holding *two* of those files in its
> possession, instead of copying the moribund file to the C:
> recovery area, that's how it can run out of space. The documentation
> says "it only needs a small increment in space, to handle updates".
> Sure, that's if nothing stupid happens... :-/ Sometimes it moves
> the useless file to the C: storage location, but sometimes it
> moves it within Partition 4 in my example instead.
>
> Anyway, that's a quick description of doing a PBR, with enough
> detail so you can look it up for a recipe.
>
> To resize the Recovery Partition, you can use Linux GParted for that.
> Sure, Windows has plenty of little disk editing utilities, but
> the Windows utils don't like the taste of some of the materials
> and won't work on them. The Linux side isn't as picky. There is
> just one thing the Linux won't do, and that is touch in any way,
> the 16MB partition that contains no file system. Macrium knows
> to use "dd.exe" to handle that partition. But other utilities
> are just not prepared for "data not sitting in a file system".
> Otherwise, if your Recovery Partition needs a resize, doing
> it that way avoids all sorts of diskpart.exe ceremonies involving
> deleting the poor partition and creating a new one from scratch.
> which is a whole lot of unnecessary work, when a resize is only
> a reboot away from success.
>
> Don't forget to change the date setting on the computer,
> on your return from Linux.
>
> Paul
I had a backup of the winre.wim so I managed to copy that by setting a
partition letter etc. Ran regentc /enable and now is all good and it is
being reported as "enabled." Sometimes running Windows makes you wonder.
<Bill>
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