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| From | Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: Devuan |
| Date | 2015-01-01 12:09 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <m83uva$kc8$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (13 earlier) <m82966$5tq$1@news.albasani.net> <m82dcb$mfp$1@dont-email.me> <m831hr$1fv$1@news.albasani.net> <m83o9a$oh6$2@dont-email.me> <m83t9s$eb6$2@dont-email.me> |
William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> writes: > On 2015-01-01, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote: >> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >> >>> On 01/01/15 03:03, Dan Espen wrote: >>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>> >>>>> On 01/01/15 00:49, Keith Keller wrote: >>>>>> On 2014-12-31, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, HatRed seems to plan doing the same thing with Wayward instead of >>>>>>> X11. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's hard (though not impossible) to imagine anything replacing X11 >>>>>> could be worse than X11. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is surely a challenge, but I am sure they are up to it.... >>>> >>>> Unlike systemd, which can do everything init does, >>>> Wayland is advertised to be missing a network protocol. >>>> >>>> You can do something like VNC, but not remote windows. >>>> >>>> So, with Wayland, there is a REAL issue. >>>> One that actually affects real people. >>>> >>> well that is not an issue in fact, its just moving the network >>> awareness of the GUI up the stack a little. >> >> Huh? >> >> You are telling me having an Emacs window from work on my home system is >> just the same as having a desktop with an Emacs window? >> >> I beg to differ. >> >>> I'd be delighted to ditch X - after 5 years of bug eradication in any >>> alternative. >> >> X11 has been working fine here. I don't have a single issue >> I'd like changed. The only issue I ever hear the Wayland >> developers claim that they are going to fix is "tearing". >> >> I've never seen this "tearing" that they talk about. >> >>> 99% of the applications use less than 1% of its features. >> >> As it should be. >> >> If that is supposed to justify removing a critical >> feature, I can't agree. >> >> In this case we have: >> >> systemd vs. init - No perceptible difference. > > You mean no difference you have perceived. > Here are a few > -- /tmp is now a tmpfs file, forced. You cannot disable it. Thus you > cannot user /tmp as a repostitory for temporary files, since any > shutdown or crash will destroy them. My Fedora system used tmpfs before the advent of systemd. I can't see how the 2 things are tied together. I don't put stuff I intend to keep in /tmp. /var/tmp works fine for that. How hard could it be to mount /tmp on disk? Also used a tmpfs type /tmp on Solaris for years. Got me used to the way it looses stuff and sort of like it. > -- If one of your partitions fails for whatever reason the system will > refuse to boot. If you are lucky it will drop you into a "rescue" shell. > If not (and systemd is buggy so this is a strong possibility" you will > get a black screen of death. YOU must put a "nofail" into every line of > your /etc/fstab to prevent this, and then you get no warning that one of > your partitions has failed to mount. > Are thos important features? As you say, put nofail in /etc/fstab. Getting a warning should be simple enough if you need it. I had a heat sensitive backup disk. When it unmounted itself, I'd get warnings when cron tried to use it. Not a big problem. I seem to remember having the same "can't boot" issues before systemd. -- Dan Espen
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Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-29 17:13 +0000
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Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-29 14:57 -0800
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Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2014-12-31 17:57 +0000
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Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 10:56 +0100
Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-01 05:02 -0800
Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-01 08:49 -0600
Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:43 +0100
Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 16:12 +0000
Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 18:23 +0100
Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 18:11 +0000
Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 22:05 +0100
Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:09 +1100
Re: Devuan Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-01-02 20:04 +0000
Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 20:14 +0000
Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-02 12:30 -0800
Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 21:31 +0000
Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:03 +0100
Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-01-02 15:35 -0500
Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-02 14:37 -0600
Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:42 +0100
Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 16:30 -0500
Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:51 +0000
Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:55 +0000
Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-12-31 16:49 -0800
Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 01:50 +0000
Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 22:03 -0500
Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 08:46 +0000
Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 10:15 -0500
Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 16:01 +0000
Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 16:40 +0000
Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:00 +0000
Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:08 +0000
Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:35 +0000
Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 12:09 -0500
Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:22 +0000
Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 13:17 -0500
Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:14 +1100
Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:27 +0000
Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:10 +0100
Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-03 09:16 +0000
Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 10:37 +0100
Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:11 +1100
Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 15:23 +0000
Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:29 +0000
Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-03 09:14 +0000
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Re: Devuan "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-02-09 16:57 -0500
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