Re: Devuan

From	William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Devuan
Date	2015-01-01 16:40 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<m83t9s$eb6$2@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References	(12 earlier) <16ienbx8ti.ln2@goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> <m82966$5tq$1@news.albasani.net> <m82dcb$mfp$1@dont-email.me> <m831hr$1fv$1@news.albasani.net> <m83o9a$oh6$2@dont-email.me>

Show all headers | View raw

On 2015-01-01, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 01/01/15 03:03, Dan Espen wrote:
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 01/01/15 00:49, Keith Keller wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-12-31, Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, HatRed seems to plan doing the same thing with Wayward instead of
>>>>>> X11.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's hard (though not impossible) to imagine anything replacing X11
>>>>> could be worse than X11.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is surely a challenge, but I am sure they are up to it....
>>>
>>> Unlike systemd, which can do everything init does,
>>> Wayland is advertised to be missing a network protocol.
>>>
>>> You can do something like VNC, but not remote windows.
>>>
>>> So, with Wayland, there is a REAL issue.
>>> One that actually affects real people.
>>>
>> well that is not an issue in fact, its just moving the network
>> awareness of the GUI up the stack a little.
>
> Huh?
>
> You are telling me having an Emacs window from work on my home system is
> just the same as having a desktop with an Emacs window?
>
> I beg to differ.
>
>> I'd be delighted to ditch X - after 5 years of bug eradication in any
>> alternative.
>
> X11 has been working fine here.  I don't have a single issue
> I'd like changed.  The only issue I ever hear the Wayland
> developers claim that they are going to fix is "tearing".
>
> I've never seen this "tearing" that they talk  about.
>
>> 99% of the applications use less than 1% of its features.
>
> As it should be.
>
> If that is  supposed to justify removing a critical
> feature, I can't agree.
>
> In this case we have:
>
> systemd vs. init - No perceptible difference.

You mean no difference you have perceived. 
Here are a few
-- /tmp is now a tmpfs file, forced. You cannot disable it. Thus you
cannot user /tmp as a repostitory for temporary files, since any
shutdown or crash will destroy them. 
-- If one of your partitions fails for whatever reason the system will
refuse to boot. If you are lucky it will drop you into a "rescue" shell.
If not (and systemd is buggy so this is a strong possibility" you will
get a black screen of death. YOU must put a "nofail" into every line of
your /etc/fstab to prevent this, and then you get no warning that one of
your partitions has failed to mount. 
Are thos important features? 

> X11 vs. Wayland - Clear difference and  lack of an important feature.
>

Thread

Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-29 17:13 +0000
  Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-29 18:32 +0100
    Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 05:23 +1100
    Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-12-29 13:55 -0500
    Re: Devuan Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2014-12-29 19:28 +0000
      Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 07:25 +1100
        Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-29 13:42 -0800
          Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 09:32 +1100
            Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-29 14:57 -0800
              Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-30 16:37 -0800
                Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-30 18:23 -0800
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2014-12-31 17:57 +0000
                Re: Devuan Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-12-31 19:07 +0000
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-01 08:25 +1100
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 10:56 +0100
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-01 05:02 -0800
                Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-01 08:49 -0600
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:43 +0100
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 16:12 +0000
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 18:23 +0100
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 18:11 +0000
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 22:05 +0100
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:09 +1100
                Re: Devuan Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-01-02 20:04 +0000
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 20:14 +0000
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-02 12:30 -0800
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 21:31 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:03 +0100
                Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-01-02 15:35 -0500
                Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-02 14:37 -0600
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:42 +0100
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 16:30 -0500
                Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:51 +0000
                Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:55 +0000
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-12-31 16:49 -0800
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 01:50 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 22:03 -0500
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 08:46 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 10:15 -0500
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 16:01 +0000
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 16:40 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:00 +0000
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:08 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:35 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 12:09 -0500
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:22 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 13:17 -0500
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:14 +1100
                Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:27 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:10 +0100
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-03 09:16 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 10:37 +0100
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:11 +1100
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 15:23 +0000
                Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:29 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-03 09:14 +0000
                Re: Devuan Stephen Chadfield <stephen@chadfield.com> - 2015-01-05 02:33 +0000
                Re: Devuan "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-02-09 16:57 -0500
            Re: Devuan "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-08 09:08 -0400
      Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-30 09:13 +0100

csiph-web