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Re: Devuan

From Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Devuan
Followup-To comp.os.linux.misc
Date 2015-01-03 08:03 +0100
Organization A noiseless patient Strider
Message-ID <m8847c$8sc$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On Friday 02 January 2015 22:31, notbob conveyed the following to 
comp.os.linux.misc...

> On 2015-01-02, Keith Keller
> <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:
> 
>> Can't you choose not to use systemd.....
> 
> I'd like to.  If I still have that choice, I will exercise it.  But,
> it looks like systemd has run roughshod over the entire Linux
> landscape, with only a couple staunch holdouts.  Even then, looks like
> Pat may eventually cave.  If so, it's back to BSD, for me.  UNLESS!
> ....Pat offers a choice in setup and/or Devuan is succesful.  8|

I'm surprised you've never heard of Gentoo ─ or even Funtoo for that 
matter. [*]  It gives you all the choices you want.  

The default init in Gentoo is still openrc ─ systemd and upstart are 
supported ─ which is a wrapper around sysvinit and offers many of the 
things systemd considers advantageous, such as support for cgroups, 
dependency-based boot scripts and parallel boot-up execution of the init 
scripts.

If you consider Slackware educational, then Gentoo is equally 
educational.  Although binary packages do exist, you normally install 
all the software from the bare sources, but the compiling/building 
process is automated.  The documentation ─ although a big lacking in 
some respects ─ is also very good, with lots of HowTos.

Gentoo uses named runlevels rather than numbered ones, but that's just a 
convention.  It's fully compatible with traditional sysvinit runlevels.


[*] Funtoo is based upon Gentoo but focuses on more bleeding-edge
    versions of the software ─ that which the Gentoo community calls
    "~arch-masked".  Funtoo was founded and is maintained by Daniel
    Robbins, who also created Gentoo, but whose offer to return to
    Gentoo in order to sort out some ego issues (among the developers
    and Council members) and put the distro back on track was rejected
    by the Gentoo Council.  They did eventually get things settled down
    again, and so Daniel Robbins created Funtoo, which is to Gentoo what
    Debian Sid is to the current Debian Jessie.

-- 
= Aragorn =

         http://www.linuxcounter.net - registrant #223157

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Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-29 17:13 +0000
  Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-29 18:32 +0100
    Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 05:23 +1100
    Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-12-29 13:55 -0500
    Re: Devuan Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2014-12-29 19:28 +0000
      Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 07:25 +1100
        Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-29 13:42 -0800
          Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 09:32 +1100
            Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-29 14:57 -0800
              Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-30 16:37 -0800
                Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-30 18:23 -0800
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2014-12-31 17:57 +0000
                Re: Devuan Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-12-31 19:07 +0000
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-01 08:25 +1100
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 10:56 +0100
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-01 05:02 -0800
                Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-01 08:49 -0600
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:43 +0100
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 16:12 +0000
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 18:23 +0100
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 18:11 +0000
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 22:05 +0100
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:09 +1100
                Re: Devuan Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-01-02 20:04 +0000
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 20:14 +0000
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-02 12:30 -0800
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 21:31 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:03 +0100
                Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-01-02 15:35 -0500
                Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-02 14:37 -0600
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:42 +0100
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 16:30 -0500
                Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:51 +0000
                Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:55 +0000
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-12-31 16:49 -0800
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 01:50 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 22:03 -0500
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 08:46 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 10:15 -0500
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 16:01 +0000
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 16:40 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:00 +0000
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:08 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:35 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 12:09 -0500
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:22 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 13:17 -0500
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:14 +1100
                Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:27 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:10 +0100
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-03 09:16 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 10:37 +0100
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:11 +1100
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 15:23 +0000
                Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:29 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-03 09:14 +0000
                Re: Devuan Stephen Chadfield <stephen@chadfield.com> - 2015-01-05 02:33 +0000
                Re: Devuan "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-02-09 16:57 -0500
            Re: Devuan "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-08 09:08 -0400
      Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-30 09:13 +0100

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