Re: Devuan

From	Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Devuan
Date	2014-12-30 18:23 -0800
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 12/30/2014 04:37 PM, John F wrote:
> "Bobbie Sellers" <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
> news:m7sm8p$3mu$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/29/2014 02:32 PM, Grant wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 13:42:43 -0800, "John F" <j@j.ii> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Grant" <omg@grrr.id.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:14e3aadmjhov6stqo7s6fr0t48baf0k3ep@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Jens Stuckelberger
>>>>> <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:32:55 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday 29 December 2014 18:13, Mladen Gogala conveyed the
>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>> to comp.os.linux.misc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://debianfork.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Death to systemd, may it burn in the depths of cvs!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure HatRed is going to keep it alive, though. :grin:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it official then that Red Hat is evil and despicable? I
>>>>>> haven't liked them myself for a decade or so, but I still thought they
>>>>>> might not be utterly evil. The systemd fracas though has put them, in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> books, only slightly above Microsoft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too right.  I left redhat when they stuffed 6.2 and failed to improve.
>>>>>
>>>>> Becoming a fedora redhat beta tester was not appealing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grant.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately that seems to be what is happening (some linii are
>>>> becoming
>>>> more like  Microsoft)  I think systemd has too much control - could lead
>>>> to
>>>> easy hacking if someone took control of it from outside, too many eggs
>>>> in
>>>> one basket
>>>>
>>> Yep.  Back in mid-2004 when I got ADSL switched on, I refused to
>>> let Microsoft have 24/7 access directly to the 'net.
>>>
>>> Prior to ADSL I was using dialup, though mostly to my uni's server
>>> as I had free access.
>>>
>>> So I surveyed several Linux distros, chose slackware because it
>>> felt closest to the unix I met at uni.  A friend was on Slackware
>>> at the time, but he moved onto SuSE.
>>>
>>> I like that people can choose a flavour of GNU/Linux to suit their
>>> own ideas of using a computer.
>>>
>>> I really dislike this new (last decade?) notion of people looking
>>> for a free windows replacement.
>>>
>>> I like windows, I write this on windows, but right now I have
>>> eight PuTTY terminals open the three Slackware boxen.
>>>
>>> This systemd stuff doesn't suit me.  As you say, too much a huge
>>> point of failure.
>>>
>>> I thought the same when Microsoft introduced the registry, was
>>> hoping they'd fix windows and take out the registry in favour of
>>> unix-like text configuration files.
>>>
>>> Even with config file we have this complexity of xml, I can't
>>> help think that key-value pairs are all that is required, people
>>> forgot their relational algebra and data normalisation?
>>>
>>> Grant.
>>>
>> If you don't care for systemd then why not a free Unix
>> variant but several Linux distros are avoiding systemd and right off the
>> top of my head I think of PCLOS.  You can check on Distrowatch
>> for others and for those free Unix distributions.  Devuan is
>> too obvious to mention and it does not yet have a distribution
>> release.
>> Some people forget those items and others have never
>> learned of them in the first place.
>>
>> bliss
>>
>>
>
> And that, my friend, is going to be the big problem! New users will not have
> the opportunity to learn about config files and the way linux works; and how
> different it is from MessWindows - with systemd it seems to be heading that
> way. Almost like a registry, except in binary executable format. Where are
> the config files for it? there must be some!
>
>


quoting from the web page at (found by searching on your requirement 
"Linux systemd configuration files")

<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/systemd>

about 1/3 of the way down the page.


Editing provided unit files

To edit a unit file provided by a package, you can create a directory 
called /etc/systemd/system/unit.d/ for example 
/etc/systemd/system/httpd.service.d/ and place *.conf files in there to 
override or add new options. systemd will parse these *.conf files and 
apply them on top of the original unit. For example, if you simply want 
to add an additional dependency to a unit, you may create the following 
file:

/etc/systemd/system/unit.d/customdependency.conf

[Unit]
Requires=new dependency
After=new dependency

As another example, in order to replace the ExecStart directive for a 
unit that is not of type oneshot, create the following file:

/etc/systemd/system/unit.d/customexec.conf



	I hope this is of assistance in resolving your problem.
As for myself I just hope the developers produce programs that will
work with either the older init system or the newer ones that may
come along.

	bliss

Thread

Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-29 17:13 +0000
  Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-29 18:32 +0100
    Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 05:23 +1100
    Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2014-12-29 13:55 -0500
    Re: Devuan Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2014-12-29 19:28 +0000
      Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 07:25 +1100
        Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-29 13:42 -0800
          Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2014-12-30 09:32 +1100
            Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-29 14:57 -0800
              Re: Devuan "John F" <j@j.ii> - 2014-12-30 16:37 -0800
                Re: Devuan Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2014-12-30 18:23 -0800
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2014-12-31 17:57 +0000
                Re: Devuan Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2014-12-31 19:07 +0000
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-01 08:25 +1100
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 10:56 +0100
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-01 05:02 -0800
                Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-01 08:49 -0600
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:43 +0100
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 16:12 +0000
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 18:23 +0100
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-01 18:11 +0000
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 22:05 +0100
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:09 +1100
                Re: Devuan Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-01-02 20:04 +0000
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 20:14 +0000
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2015-01-02 12:30 -0800
                Re: Devuan notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-01-02 21:31 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:03 +0100
                Re: Devuan Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-01-02 15:35 -0500
                Re: Devuan John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-02 14:37 -0600
                Re: Devuan Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-01-01 16:42 +0100
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 16:30 -0500
                Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:51 +0000
                Re: Devuan Mladen Gogala <gogala.mladen@gmail.com> - 2014-12-31 23:55 +0000
                Re: Devuan Keith Keller <kkeller-usenet@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> - 2014-12-31 16:49 -0800
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 01:50 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2014-12-31 22:03 -0500
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 08:46 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 10:15 -0500
                Re: Devuan The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-01-01 16:01 +0000
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 16:40 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:00 +0000
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:08 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 17:35 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 12:09 -0500
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-01 17:22 +0000
                Re: Devuan Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-01-01 13:17 -0500
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:14 +1100
                Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:27 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 08:10 +0100
                Re: Devuan William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-01-03 09:16 +0000
                Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2015-01-03 10:37 +0100
                Re: Devuan Grant <omg@grrr.id.au> - 2015-01-02 06:11 +1100
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-01 15:23 +0000
                Re: Devuan Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2015-01-03 05:29 +0000
                Re: Devuan Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-01-03 09:14 +0000
                Re: Devuan Stephen Chadfield <stephen@chadfield.com> - 2015-01-05 02:33 +0000
                Re: Devuan "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2015-02-09 16:57 -0500
            Re: Devuan "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-03-08 09:08 -0400
      Re: Devuan Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-12-30 09:13 +0100

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