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Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess?

From Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Subject Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess?
Date 2014-10-22 23:14 +0200
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Elizabeth D. Rather wrote:

> On 10/21/14 11:37 PM, Mark Wills wrote:
>> Java is still holding on, I see.
>>
>> I wonder how many paid Forth developers in the world? <50?
>>
> 
> In our current customer list, several thousand. Probably MPE can say the
> same. And who knows how many using gForth, Win32Forth, etc.?

One question is whether they are "paid Forth developers".  I've never been a 
"paid Forth developer" in the sense that my job title included Forth.  If 
you search a typical job offer site for "Java", you get a lot of offers for 
"Java developers".  These are jobs for code monkeys, often very clearly 
stating that you will develop software according to the specs written by 
other guys.  In the same business where Cobol had that role some decades 
ago, replacing the old Cobol programs.

If you walk through your customer list, you won't find that many of those 
job titles.

What I do know is how many people have installed Gforth for Android, because 
Google knows everything (especially everything about their users ;-): it's 
about 1000.

> The Forth community suffers from lack of communication. Very few of our
> customers ever come to c.l.f. When we've asked them, they say it's
> because they're too busy working. I don't know what the solution is.

They also don't show up on Forth conferences...

Forth Inc. does a lot of training, and I'm quite sure these people have 
questions later, too.  If you would direct them to stackoverflow.com to ask 
their questions there, they will be visible to a wider public, and unlike 
c.l.f, stackoverflow.com is a pretty friendly place for beginners to ask 
questions - and a lot of people search stackoverflow.com to find solutions.

There aren't so many questions and answers about Forth on stackoverflow.com, 
a typical chicken&egg problem: we Forthers aren't there.

-- 
Bernd Paysan
"If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
http://bernd-paysan.de/

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How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? JUERGEN <epldfpga@aol.com> - 2014-10-21 04:50 -0700
  Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-10-22 02:37 -0700
    Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-22 09:57 -1000
      Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-10-22 14:11 -0700
        Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-10-22 23:08 +0100
          Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? "Rod Pemberton" <buzzoff@nonamewhichexists.cmm> - 2014-10-22 23:02 -0400
            Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-22 18:26 -1000
            Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? Paul E Bennett <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2014-10-23 21:32 +0100
      Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-22 23:14 +0200
        Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-10-22 13:23 -1000
          Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-10-24 14:34 +0200
            Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? beeflobill@gmail.com - 2014-12-05 12:28 -0800
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              Re: How popular is Forth really, compared to others, any guess? Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2014-12-05 13:43 -0800
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